So, About That Suns/Rockets Brouhaha
Things got a bit testy between the Suns and Rockets last night towards the end of the third quarter. The game, which ended in a 94-82 victory for Houston, is pretty much an afterthought now. All anyone cares about at this point is the “fight”.
My favorite part of this is the announcer’s reaction, almost immediately after Tracy McGrady cans a three, when he realizes that a melee may be breaking out. “Hold up, hold up, hold up, hold up, hold up!”
As the video clearly shows, Matt Barnes instigated things when he (and his elbow) evidently disagreed with a Rafer Alston pick, and shoved Skip out of the way.
Of course, as is often the case in the NBA, the fracas turned into nothing more than a bunch of very large men shoving each other to the ground. After T-Mac knocked Steve Nash down, Shaq returned to the favor to the sleepy-eyed wonder. Hey, what happened to the love, Big Aristotle?!
Matt Barnes and Rafer Alston were ejected, but this will not be the last we hear of this incident. It will certainly be interesting to see how the NBA handles the situation, and who gets a slap on the wrist from the Commish.
Artest and Dorsey were on the bench ready for tag team.
That being said, Barnes does have a dirty side to him and I hope that’s the last we see of it.
You originally made it seem like TMac attacked some little dude.
My point was why is he always running over jumping into some stuff? Is he going to fight people? Why all the random wolfing and crap? Why do people think its “scrappy” when Nash does it and bush league when other cats do it?
Why did you assume that Nash ran over there to make peace? Wasn’t Yao already doing that? What about Nash’s demeanor said, “I’m just here to call things down?”
I guess I didn’t see it like that. He seemed to be going over there to show the Rockets that you can’t mess with one of our players. That’s fine, but let’s not pretend that’s not what was going on.
I concentrated on Nash because of Jukai’s defense of him.
What I really found funny about the video was how easily Yao was pushed over. Yao is clumsy as a mother.
He just kind of slowly tumbled over. and he couldn’t stop himself.
I am dying at work.
Look, why is Nash running over to a dustup pushing opposing players? He should have grabbed Barnes, instead he ran up into Rafer’s face. Rafer and TMac responded, a little too much from McGrady. Shaq brodied everybody, and it was over. Good times.
How did Shaq not get ejected?
I’m also wondering why KG doesn’t get more technicals. He is really out of control when it comes to taunting. Last night he was taunting somebody on the Hawks and it looked like the refs were going to give him a tech, but then they punked out.
How did they miss that call on Barnes. If those blind MF’s would ‘ve called it what it was there wouldn’t be any beef whatsoever. The reaction of the players are completely irrelevant.
You guys need to talk about the real cause of the problem here and not start any sensational and racially toned nonsense. Because the message the refs send to Rafer is basically ” you’re on your own buddy”. How can 3 guys miss a foul on the ball screener. WTF
I honestly don’t think the reaction to basketball fights has anything to do with how close players are to fans, but I don’t feel like discussing my theories.
I think you need to put more blame on the refs. In basketball, if the refs don’t keep a game clean, then the players have to take on that job. And that means retaliating when somebody does something to you. The ref missed an obvious cheap shot right in front of his face.
Also, did y’all see how Yao patted Rafer on the head on the bench? It was like Rafer was a little kid. I know Yao is like “WTF is wrong with these guys? I miss Bejing.”
Really?
I know he didn’t deserve two MVPs, guys, but c’mon. You protect your team. Shaq is far and beyond the strongest guy on the court, he could take Joey Dorsey and Luis Scola and crush their heads with minimal effort. If he wanted to, he could have ended McGrady’s career. Instead, he shoved him.
Props to Shaq.
So you’re going to ignore the shove of Yao who played peacemaker the entire fight?
I like how you left that out. The other two were somewhat justified, but the shove of Yao was just an @sshole move. You know this.
And, you know that Nash escalated that thing. You just don’t want to admit it because he’s your guy. What about your vaunted objectivity?
Is Steve Nash your little sister or something?
Anyway, I should acknowledge both YAO and SCOLA for trying their best to break up the fight, I don’t think anyone (SAVE NASH) of the Suns players did that, from what I could tell.
Also, I already said I’m biased in my first post, because I love Nash. But as several others have already said, I really don’t think Nash looked like he was going after McGrady. His arms were out as if to break up everyone. He wasn’t running over, fists curled up, ready to wham someone, nor was he making a pushing motion.
Done.
“I see the B(itch in you”
You are funny. Such vivid imagery when it comes to certain behavior.
Anyway, I guarantee I’ve criticized Iverson more than you’ve gotten on Nash. But, that’s besides the point.
I remember what happened with Horry. You honestly remember Nash just lying on the floor taking it? Or do you remember him jumping up and racing over to Horry after he completed his mandated flop?
Straight up, Nash is one of those cats who is always jumping in the middle of stuff. He might now fight, but he’s got that mentality where he has to let people know he’s not going to be punked.
In contrast, when was the last time you saw Iverson jawing at anybody but the refs and he gets fouled hard all the damn time?
From comments I’ve seen from Nash, he seems to play with a little chip on his shoulder, particularly since he blew up with the MVPs. He got a lot hate from a lot of people and I remember him saying that he thought his success was more difficult because he was white. So, he might have this idea that he can’t back down or show weakness to certain players because they don’t respect him anyway.
Just my thoughts.
I have yet to have to critisize Nash yet because no one is as hyped about Nash anymore than people are hyped about Iverson. Back when Nash was a two time MVP winner, you would have heard me criticize Nash far more as I didn’t think he deserved his second MVP (that was Kobe’s).
Just MY thoughts.
People are MORE HYPED about Iverson nowadays than Nash, so there is less of a need for me to criticize Nash because no one is overestimating him anymore.
Anyway, Nash always seems to interject himself when something pops off, which has been pretty frequently with crazy ass Raja Bell on his team. Maybe, I’m wrong, but I just remember him popping into the middle of many a random fracas. And he’s not playing peacemaker. Particularly after the Suns got the rep for being soft.
Re. the brouhaha… 1)it’s unfortunate Ronron wasn’t on the floor. 2)What’s Nash doing…
However, gotta disagree with you on Shaq going after Yao. Go 1:20 into the video… Shaq pushes Yao out of the way, carelessly and without thought, but he’s looking at Alston and Nash going at it. He also flung what looks like Terry Porter at the same time. He was just throwing people out of the way so he could get to Alston.
Also, Alston goes after Nash at around 1:21 into the video, Shaq pushes away Yao and Porter two seconds later, then pushes Alston two seconds later. Alston is grabbing onto Nashs arm during the push so he maintains his balance and uppercuts Nash. Scenario plays out.
If it DOES mean anything, Shaq did push down Yao, who was playing the peacemaker, so I can see why Shaq could get a suspension.
Nash, Bell, Barnes, Amare, Shaq
Alston, T-Mac, Ron Ron, Dorsey, Yao
I would say nine suspensions and two season ending injuries out of that one.
Read my 4:08 post again.
why shove alston and magrady.nash fell becouse he ran like crazy towards rockets who were trying to stop it–outcome nash is foolish/ stupid and shaq acted real tough with a point guard pushing him to the ground. talk about no class purfect def of shaq
I still don’t get it though. So if Shaq is in the run, McGrady is in the wrong too. If McGrady is being a tough team leader, so is Shaq. Unless you’re SPECIFICALLY talking about the Yao situation, McGrady and Shaq are pretty much in the same boat, you can’t say McGrady was being tough and bash Shaq.
Brooks didn’t do much but get pushed by Alston when he tried to step in. Scola and Yao got in the middle of it to get their team to break things up, as now I notice, did Barbosa. So good for them.
no wonder they look fkg lost
why make something bigger running like stupid towards the incident
@RV: Watch closer, Porter is swung out of the way by Shaqs hand, that’s why he’s behind Shaq. If you can post a quality version so I could see where Shaq is looking, that’d be great.
I disagree with your “facing the man” analogy. T-Mac would have pushed Nash regardless of where he was facing. Likewise, Shaq is not going to walk ALL the way around the crowd of people as McGrady stands over Nash, glaring at him, ready to kick him in the face. You ALSO saw what Shaq had to do to get to Alston, ie almost end Yao’s season. If you’re going to protect a teammate, you protect him the fastest way possible, THAT’S toughness. I think Shaq bowling over Yao probably should get Shaq either a suspension or a bigger fine, but I think other than that, Shaq and McGrady are on par on their involvement in the scuffle. HAD Scola not held McGrady back (and taken some of McGrady’s wrath himself), who knows what McGrady would have done.
that said if you cant see that shaq acted like punk your a person full of stupid pride and u r acting like a bitchh
lol
im trying to figure out if i can talk some sense into u
@RV: I watched, I still think what I think. Shaq was freeing himself from EVERYONE, including the ref, Porter (who was in his way, Shaq didn’t really touch him but that’s because Porter ran away from Shaq’s arms) and Yao. And I absolutely disagree with you on the pause issue. Shaq ran to each fight as they were taking place. Dude is just slow.
I know I’m biased on this issue, but you’re at the other end of the spectrum here sir. It’s possible there is a very large middle ground and neither of us can see it because we’re defending our respective teams. I do blame Barnes completely for this incident and whatever happens, he needs to get the majority fo the punishment.
As for where I am, I’m from New York. I haven’t rooted for the Knicks, like most New Yorkers, since 99… so I gotta pick out other teams to like. I have had a lot fo teams I’ve rooted for since, but I was a huge Mavs fan when Dirk, Finley and Nash played the game, hense you’ll NEVER hear me talk smack about Finley even though I’ll tear up every other member of San Antonio. Once Nash left, I figured I’d give Phoenix a try and like most of the basketball fans then, immediately fell in love with their system. I’ve sorta just got roped in and been a Phoenix fan since then.
Right now I’m leaning on being more of a Cleveland fan though, since Phoenix has taken a turn for the whiny.
The blanked out word starts with “b” and rhymes with “itch,” and implies that jukai is not acting in a masculine way.
was it something i said about shaq being a punk, classless or studip.
or was it just saying something negative about the cray baby team they call suns in the nba. or was it my typing. now be honest and stop acting feminine
go SUNS! i want my name in orange also! - not fair
(eventhought he wasent in thisone)
got a little carried away.
slamoline is fun though, a bunch of characters
Go Spurs….. Like the Suns a little too. Nba Fan
The Big Aristotle cleaning house
I, Jukai. You, Da South. You tell Jukai, how caveman learn computer?
To everyone else- WAAH!
Get over it, the over analysing I just read is nuts.
Barnes lays his shoulder in, Alston reacts. Yao and Tmac try to cool it down. Nash comes in, trips while Tmac pushes him away from Alston who is still swinging. Scola and Brooks get outta there and Shaq lays into Tmac who falls on Yao. Everyone is separated. Over.
A few suspensions and some fines. Thats it…. and this is coming from a Rockets supporter (as you know).
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Really?
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