September 15, 2008 8:00 am  |  355 Comments

SLAMonline Top 50: Josh Howard, no. 37

The definitive ranking of the best players in the NBA today…

by Holly MacKenzie

Sometimes, it can be easy for a player’s performance to be overshadowed by their off court actions. Thanks in large part to his own choices; Josh Howard falls into this category. With marijuana talk and an arrest this summer as a result of drag racing, Howard (along with the entire Mavericks organization), would like to forget the second half of this year.

After starting out with a strong campaign in the first half of the season, Howard all but disappeared when 2008 arrived. That slump coincided with the trade that sent Devin Harris to New Jersey and brought Jason Kidd to the Mavericks. While much has been made of this slump, it is important to keep in mind that Howard still finished with averages of 19.9 points per and 7.0 rebounds per game for the season. On December 8th, 2007 Howard dropped a career-high 47 points on the Jazz, just another highlight in a great first half of the season that seems like forever ago. Still, with the exception of his meltdown in ‘08, Howard has been a cornerstone on the Mavs roster.

While many can only shake their heads at some of the choices Howard has made, one thing that is still crystal-clear is how he (a graduate from Wake Forest University, and native of Winston-Salem, NC), has earned his place on this list, just as he has earned his spot on the Dallas roster and in the NBA itself. Despite being only the second player in ACC history to rack up 1000 points, 500 rebounds, 200 assists, 200 steals, 100 blocks, and 100 three-pointers, he dropped to the 29th pick in the draft, partly due to concern over his work ethic and attitude. Howard has made sure that all of those teams that passed on him have taken an extra look. He may indulge in some activities that make David Stern’s head roll during the off season, but he is still coming at you hard when the ball drops.

Hard-nosed and intense, Howard fits the bill of the blue-collar guy that every team needs. The difference with him is the smoothness with which he gets the job done. Don’t be fooled, Howard knows the art of the hustle and he owns it, diving for loose balls, D-ing up with intensity that the entire team feeds off of and sprinting the length court to get easy transition points. It is the way he does it all, with a grace belying his efforts that sometimes makes him slip into the background.

Playing with Dirk Nowitzki cannot always be easy. Howard is expected to both fit into the offense seamlessly and not demand a lot of attention or plays being run through him, yet still produce enough to take a load off of Nowitzki’s heavily burdened shoulders. Howard manages to do both well, being a major contributor to the Maverick offense as well as being one of their premier perimeter defensive players.

In addition to the radio show interview during the playoffs that made everyone scratch their heads, former Mavericks coach, Avery Johnson alluded to other troubles concerning Howard when he complained of his focus being on his birthday party rather than the playoff match up at hand. Add that on the troubles this past summer and suddenly there are a lot of questions surrounding Josh Howard the person and a dark cloud that is threatening to cast a shadow over Josh the player.

One only needs to look at the fantasy basketball piece written about Howard in the Athlon Sports NBA Preview issue to see the fun for media this past season has been when it comes to Howard. “Howard’s 3-point stroke went to pot last year, but he smoked to a career-high 19.9 ppg. He also found the grass greener than ever in FT/G (4.1), RPG(7.0) and APG(2.2) columns.” Let’s hope that the focus is shifted back to his play on court this season.

The question of whether Howard’s lifestyle choices are affecting his game can only be answered by the man himself. Spending his off-season working with Coach Carlisle individually in order to be prepared for this season is a great indicator of Howard’s commitment to his game. Given that he is so forthright with everything else that is asked of him, it only makes sense that Howard does not believe his actions are hurting his career. Given that he is young, passionate and head-strong, it only makes sense that he could be wrong. This season, he will rediscover his game or the effects of his choices will start to sink in. Either way, Howard is a player who was raised to be honest and the NBA world will hear his truth. Hopefully, this season, he decides to get back to letting his game do most of the talking.

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  • Benoit Benjamin Posted: Sep.15 at 8:11 am
    I’d have ranked Josh smith ahead of him.

  • TADOne Posted: Sep.15 at 8:13 am
    Nice write up Holly. I’m really not a fan of Josh, but he has a decent game. I can’t say that I wouldn’t take a few of the players already listed over him because I probably would.

  • Bryan Posted: Sep.15 at 8:22 am
    I got no real problems with this, he can do a little bit of everything everyone else on the list can do so f*ck it.

  • Tom Posted: Sep.15 at 8:23 am
    WOW…….i’m surprised he ended up this high on the list. Nice write up though Holly, it will be interesting to see how Carslile uses him, and if Howard can make the most of it.

  • Sesa Posted: Sep.15 at 8:24 am
    I’d usually agree with you Holly but not on this one. Without even seeing his off-court actions, I wouldn’t put him this high. What is his distinction actually? Can He shoot 3s? Can He shoot jump shots?
    The Art of hustle, you say? I’d still rather have Tayshaun Prince or Shane Battier

  • Niio Posted: Sep.15 at 8:26 am
    He is a talented played that really carried the Mavs against the Warriors back in 07. Lets see if he can regain form and catch lobs from Jkidd this season.

  • Bryan Posted: Sep.15 at 8:26 am
    Um he can actually do all of those things Sesa.

  • Bryan Posted: Sep.15 at 8:30 am
    Tayshaun prince and shane battier couldn’t combine to score 47 points in an empty gym.

  • mat smith Posted: Sep.15 at 8:36 am
    do not agree with this one, dont like his game at all, then there is the weed thing, duh….

  • ctkennedy Posted: Sep.15 at 8:37 am
    josh is 37 then i guess melo is number 1

  • DP Posted: Sep.15 at 8:47 am
    Yeah I forgot all about J-Ho because of his attitude and the decisions he has made over the past few seasons. Dude can ball though and I have no problem with this pick because he in my opinion is Dallas’ best assest.

  • Eboy Posted: Sep.15 at 8:52 am
    Holly, great work again. The ranking though is a little too high, imo. Maybe in the 40 to 42 range, I’d take Tayshaun over him for his overall game (D AND offense) and probably Josh too. Hopefully he gets back to form this season.

  • cabezamadera Posted: Sep.15 at 9:02 am
    dont see why he got to reach such a high position
    he’s not bad, but not so good anyway
    and probably we should keep in mind what he does off-court, aint that some reason to believe things are about to go in a bad direction??

  • Sesa Posted: Sep.15 at 9:13 am
    I think that J-Ho’s weeding problem is the one that put him in the spotlight, not his game

  • Simone S.Y Lawy Posted: Sep.15 at 9:14 am
    josh smith should be higher…, i can’t take this

  • Sesa Posted: Sep.15 at 9:18 am
    @Simone, He IS higher. On Offseason that is…

  • Hursty Posted: Sep.15 at 9:23 am
    I have him in exactly the same spot on my list (for Hibachi which Im compiling at home. It’ll be up soon I promise, gimme a couple of days. Hopefully within the week.

  • Hursty Posted: Sep.15 at 9:24 am
    Sesa that makes NO sense. Again.

  • Sesa Posted: Sep.15 at 9:26 am
    People on weed doesn’t suppose to be making any sense

  • TADOne Posted: Sep.15 at 9:27 am
    I see.

  • Jukai Posted: Sep.15 at 9:29 am
    Holly, are they giving you the job to defend the guys that are hardest to validate, or are you taking them on your own free will?

  • Jukai Posted: Sep.15 at 9:30 am
    Also, I can’t really take him over Ron Artest or David West or Michael Redd or Lamar Odom or pretty much anyone. But, you know, can’t complain about it.

  • Eboy Posted: Sep.15 at 9:33 am
    I forgot Ron. I’d take him over Josh too.

  • Jukai Posted: Sep.15 at 9:37 am
    THANKS Eboy.

  • starbury&stevey Posted: Sep.15 at 9:40 am
    Holly he´s not that young anymore..28/29 years old,i think..so he is a growed up man.we´re all talking so softly about him,but he´s not a college boy anymore…5 years in this league and still acting like a rookie..see chalmers..

  • Froggiestyle Posted: Sep.15 at 9:41 am
    does cuban finally give up his hopes for a title and focus solely on baseball now?

  • starbury&stevey Posted: Sep.15 at 9:42 am
    sorry..english is my 4th language,so my excuses for any grammatical fault..

  • Hursty Posted: Sep.15 at 9:48 am
    wth? e and Jukai aggreing? A landmark in internal relations of America!

  • Eboy Posted: Sep.15 at 9:50 am
    It’s more surprising when I agree with you, Hursty.

  • Hursty Posted: Sep.15 at 9:53 am
    Yeh I suppose thats true. We can agree to disagree. BTW, BET is planning a new offensive against Tedddy I believe, which should be interesting to say the least.

  • Eboy Posted: Sep.15 at 9:54 am
    That’s my most favorite war at the moment.

  • Jukai Posted: Sep.15 at 9:54 am
    Me and Eboy agree on a lot of things. It’s just pseudo-political suicide for Eboy to actually come out and say publicly that he agrees with me.

  • Simone S.Y Lawy Posted: Sep.15 at 9:54 am
    starbury on the list? no matter on court or offseason…LOL THE STARBURYS COME BACK…

  • Hursty Posted: Sep.15 at 9:55 am
    But I choose not to argue things unless its rocket related or something I feel is particularly important, which can change depending on numerous things, mostly sleep. *insert female joke here*.

  • Jukai Posted: Sep.15 at 9:57 am
    No one is going to make a joke about you sleeping with a woman, Hursty. It’s too unrealistic.

  • Jukai Posted: Sep.15 at 9:57 am
    Oh, looks like I just did. How about that.

  • Eboy Posted: Sep.15 at 9:59 am
    There was a time I hated Jukai, I now have him on a short list of beloved commentors. He’s also a pumpkin colored pariah lately so that gives him a little bit more leahway too.

  • Hursty Posted: Sep.15 at 10:00 am
    I bet your myspace buddies or something Jukai. just under alias’s on the boards. I know your tricks Eboy, sneaky lawyer you. BTW, I watched Boston Legal tonight and William Shatner and his mate (the other funny one) were defeding a guy in the Supreme Court. Have you ever been to the Supreme Court? I could be a lawyer ‘if I apply myself’ I am told. Fu*k that. Chicks dig lifeguards and washboard abs. I have the 2nd in spades my man. Being a political advisor sounds fun though, look at your government now. It cant be that hard can it?

  • Froggiestyle Posted: Sep.15 at 10:01 am
    “pumpkin colored pariah” que? como?

  • starbury&stevey Posted: Sep.15 at 10:01 am
    THE STARBURY´S ARE COMING…

  • Hursty Posted: Sep.15 at 10:02 am
    Man I have so much material to use on that Jukai, but I wont go lowballing like that. I actually meant as in ‘that time of month’ not sexually.

  • Earl "E.Sneed" Sneed Posted: Sep.15 at 10:02 am
    Josh was the Mavs’ best player for the first 1/3 of the season last year…even better than Dirk. If he does it for a full season, look out!

  • Eboy Posted: Sep.15 at 10:04 am
    Froggie, the color of his screename.

  • Money Bill Williams Posted: Sep.15 at 10:05 am
    not a bad choice holly,he can be quite a good player when he applies himself

  • TADOne Posted: Sep.15 at 10:05 am
    I think Holly’s job was to defend all of the weed smokers on the list. With that said, i’m looking forward to her piece on Melo.

  • Money Bill Williams Posted: Sep.15 at 10:07 am
    TAD, there is no list for Top 50 b*tchslappers in the leauge coz 49.5 would go to Melo, and the .5 would go to Jermaine O’neal and his best mate from Detroit

  • B. Long Posted: Sep.15 at 10:07 am
    @TAD: I’m looking forward to the Sheed article even more.

  • Money Bill Williams Posted: Sep.15 at 10:08 am
    I am looking forward to BET’s offensive strategy

  • Bryan Posted: Sep.15 at 10:13 am
    I think josh howard is being a little underrated here by you guys.

  • Hursty Posted: Sep.15 at 10:14 am
    He says that it will ‘be something for the ages’ or something like that. At least thats what I hope personally.

  • Eboy Posted: Sep.15 at 10:15 am
    Shia, you are a cholo.

  • Bruno Posted: Sep.15 at 10:15 am
    good placement
    i like the choice

  • Money Bill Williams Posted: Sep.15 at 10:16 am
    i dont think he can let down the ‘ go dryhump james the baller” froma coupla days ago!

  • TADOne Posted: Sep.15 at 10:26 am
    What the heck is a “cholo”?

  • Money Bill Williams Posted: Sep.15 at 10:28 am
    i believe it is some sort of exotic fish?

  • Bryan Posted: Sep.15 at 10:28 am
    Thanks tad.

  • Eboy Posted: Sep.15 at 10:30 am
    No basic Spanish slang for you youngsters, huh?

  • Eboy Posted: Sep.15 at 10:30 am
    Racists!!!!!! :)

  • Money Bill Williams Posted: Sep.15 at 10:30 am
    click my name y’all!

  • TADOne Posted: Sep.15 at 10:31 am
    Um, wouldn’t that be ‘chulo’ then?

  • Eboy Posted: Sep.15 at 10:31 am
    No, simple man.

  • Eboy Posted: Sep.15 at 10:32 am
    Better yet, google it.

  • TADOne Posted: Sep.15 at 10:34 am
    I got it E. Not sure why you are calling him that though.

  • Eboy Posted: Sep.15 at 10:35 am
    If the insult is good enough to come off of Eric Cartman’s animated lips it’s good enough for me.

  • TADOne Posted: Sep.15 at 10:38 am
    My boy here at work, who is Mexican, says it is slang for a Mexican gangster or gangbanger. So yeah, I don’t get the insult. Than again, I am simple. Carry on….

  • Jukai Posted: Sep.15 at 10:39 am
    What the hell is a cholo?

  • Jukai Posted: Sep.15 at 10:40 am
    OH, TADOne clears it up for everyone. What can this guy NOT do!

  • Jukai Posted: Sep.15 at 10:40 am
    If TADOne played basketball, I don’t care how bad he was, I’d put him at number 34 on my list of top 50. Slam would probably put him somewhere between Rasheed and Ron Artest.

  • Eboy Posted: Sep.15 at 10:40 am
    It is, TAD, he is correct.

  • Holly MacKenzie Posted: Sep.15 at 10:41 am
    haha thanks for the comments guys. My job wasn’t really to defend the player’s position, since it was a group ranking and not my own list, but I do enjoy both LO and Josh so I requested them. I don’t ONLY like the troubled guys. Although, it seems that way, doesn’t it? Chris, Chris Paul is my guy and he is good!

  • Eboy Posted: Sep.15 at 10:41 am
    I think TAD would rank somewhere in the mid 30’s on the SLAMOnline writer/commentor rank list.

  • Holly MacKenzie Posted: Sep.15 at 10:42 am
    and by that comment, I didn’t mean I am writing about Chris, just that he is one of my favorites and he doesn’t seem to be on the verge of a meltdown.

  • TADOne Posted: Sep.15 at 10:42 am
    Rollerskate Jukai.

  • Eboy Posted: Sep.15 at 10:43 am
    I was about to say, if Holly doesn’t get CP3 or Jax (if he makes the list) I’ll be distressed. I know she’d love the Kobe one but I bet someone pulls senior rank on her!!! :)

  • Darksaber Posted: Sep.15 at 10:46 am
    Dang!!! Tempers are flaring in this area. And the usual suspects are smack dab in the middle of things. Entertaining as usual. As for J-Ho, GREAT player, good arsenal on offense, long deceptive arms on D. In my book, he’s top 30 (reefer madness and speed racing be damned!!) this ranking is a travesty.

  • TADOne Posted: Sep.15 at 10:47 am
    Let’s hope not Holly.

  • Darksaber Posted: Sep.15 at 10:48 am
    Oh and Holly? Nice writeup, way to put things into perspective, girl. GO MAAAAVS!! (although i fear with Ason at the helm, this season doesn’t look too good)

  • Holly MacKenzie Posted: Sep.15 at 10:48 am
    Eboy, Jax and the Warriors are the Raps home opener. You KNOW I’m jacked up over that for real!

  • Darksaber Posted: Sep.15 at 10:49 am
    Eboy: and by “someone”, you meant Slam’s resident Kobemaniac by the name of……?

  • Bryan Posted: Sep.15 at 10:50 am
    What’s my rank eboy

  • Eboy Posted: Sep.15 at 10:51 am
    Darksaber, there’s so many suspects, it would be hard to pinpoint.

  • Darksaber Posted: Sep.15 at 10:52 am
    True that, oh master of Miami

  • Darksaber Posted: Sep.15 at 10:54 am
    Oh man, we’ve gone from ranking the stars of the court to asking Eboy to rank one’s status as a commenter? niiiice. Um, shouldn’t Ryne, Lang or even OMAR be doing the honors? Just saying…

  • KA Posted: Sep.15 at 10:55 am
    apparently some people have never seen dude play. on any given night dude can be the man on the team, maybe not consistent enough, but he is definitely an underrated stud even after that stellar run to the finals way back.

  • Darksaber Posted: Sep.15 at 10:57 am
    Josh Howard can ball like only a few others. Smooth is the perfect adjective for him. Good choice of words by Holly Mac.

  • ciolkstar Posted: Sep.15 at 10:58 am
    I like it. The guy had an off year and had his best friend on the team traded (again) and truggled to build chemistry with Ason. but, he can be unstoppable when he’s got all facets of his game going. Wiry strong, long, can shoot from midrange (and the 3 occasionally) and might be the mvs best defender after they traded Devin the dude. Yall know I got love for him *cough* *cough*, even though he’s a Mav (second most annoying fans in the world)

  • ciolkstar Posted: Sep.15 at 10:59 am
    very well written Holly, nice to have you back.

  • Eboy Posted: Sep.15 at 10:59 am
    Darksaber, I was actually ranking TAD by his written about basketball ability, as a commentor he’d be top 5. :)

  • TADOne Posted: Sep.15 at 11:01 am
    My ability is sitting on a computer at work TALKING to ya’ll about basketball. Such is life.

  • BETCATS Posted: Sep.15 at 11:02 am
    smoke that weed

  • ciolkstar Posted: Sep.15 at 11:04 am
    The Birthday Party thing was pretty bad though.

  • Holly MacKenzie Posted: Sep.15 at 11:04 am
    appreciate the words, guys. feels great to be gearing up for another NBA season. FINALLLLY. ha.

  • BETCATS Posted: Sep.15 at 11:06 am
    weed + ability to ball = 37

  • TADOne Posted: Sep.15 at 11:08 am
    44 days and counting. Word.

  • Eboy Posted: Sep.15 at 11:08 am
    Now if only there would only be a Holly Mac Post Up again………………………….

  • Bryan Posted: Sep.15 at 11:08 am
    Man no one will let this guy off because he smokes pot. Big f*cking deal.

  • ciolkstar Posted: Sep.15 at 11:08 am
    I’d take Josh over Odom all day. But I would take Artest over Josh. Maybe even Monta and Smoove (but I’m biased)

  • TADOne Posted: Sep.15 at 11:12 am
    Um, there will be E. But I’ll let Holly speak for herself.

  • Bryan Posted: Sep.15 at 11:14 am
    The funniest part about it is the way everyone thinks their pot jokes are so clever and original. Its like at my job I hear at least ten people a day make the same jokes and everyone of them has a group of lackeys to laugh at it likes its the funniest thing they ever heard, get real dude not only have we probably heard these jokes in the past 3 months but we probably thought of them on our own but were too smart to write them because we didn’t want to take the easy obvious joke and look like an assh*le.

  • Darksaber Posted: Sep.15 at 11:15 am
    umm, Eboy, not wanting to be a nuisance here, and someone might have dubbed her “Holly Mac” up in here earlier, but if not, i’m calling dibs on calling her that first. Don’t make me conjure up a mini hurricane to come get ya.

  • TADOne Posted: Sep.15 at 11:19 am
    Shia is on a rant. Like I said, Josh has a decent game. I think his placement on the list is close to where it should be, but I would personally take two other players over him that were already listed. For the record, I could give a crap if he smoked on the damn bench.

  • Eboy Posted: Sep.15 at 11:20 am
    Dark, I don’t ever call Holly “Holly Mac”, you can have that title. Shia, you crack me the f*ck up. TAD, I think you should have stayed silent with that info.

  • Darksaber Posted: Sep.15 at 11:21 am
    Hey Shia, how’s transformers 2 coming along? Will there be more screen time for Megan?

  • Darksaber Posted: Sep.15 at 11:21 am
    Yessss. Eboy conceded. There is a god :-)

  • Eboy Posted: Sep.15 at 11:23 am
    This actually feels like a classic Post Up this morning.

  • TADOne Posted: Sep.15 at 11:23 am
    E, she actually posted on here last week about it. It has been public news.

  • BETCATS Posted: Sep.15 at 11:24 am
    news!

  • Jukai Posted: Sep.15 at 11:24 am
    TADOne is smoking with Josh Howard as we speak

  • Jukai Posted: Sep.15 at 11:25 am
    I can’t wait to see where Dirk ranks on this list. That will be a spectacular day.

  • Darksaber Posted: Sep.15 at 11:26 am
    Juks: i GUARANTEE, that day (along with Kobe, Wade, Melo and Lebron rankings) will crash the world wide wibe.

  • James the balla Posted: Sep.15 at 11:27 am
    Redd or Howard any day!! And Smith before Howard.

  • Bryan Posted: Sep.15 at 11:28 am
    Wow another darksaber original…copyright that one before the other 20 posters say it too.

  • Jukai Posted: Sep.15 at 11:28 am
    Oh who cares where Kobe/Lebron will be. I bet SLAM ties them at number one just so their bandwidth isn’t wiped clean in a matter of minutes.

  • Darksaber Posted: Sep.15 at 11:29 am
    Done and done Shia.

  • Darksaber Posted: Sep.15 at 11:30 am
    Tie! What is this, Grant Hill / Jason Kidd Rookie of the year ceremonies allover again? Ryne better not tie the no. 1 spot.

  • Eboy Posted: Sep.15 at 11:32 am
    There will be no tie.

  • TADOne Posted: Sep.15 at 11:35 am
    I’m sure Eboy has already typed up about 300 words in response to the expectation that Kobe will be #1 on the list. A pre-emptive strike, if you will.

  • Darksaber Posted: Sep.15 at 11:35 am
    Good.

  • Darksaber Posted: Sep.15 at 11:36 am
    Eboy with the Rumsfeld/Bush doctrine up that mutha…

  • Eboy Posted: Sep.15 at 11:44 am
    Not really. I already assume the worst, so it won’t be a surprise. Besides when you complain about things around here, you get chidded like it’s 1940’s Nazi Germany, so like the Beatles said, “Let it be”.

  • Darksaber Posted: Sep.15 at 11:46 am
    @Eboy: “let it be”? who are you and what have you done to Mr. Miami. Let it be…yeah, right. So bring out the Howitzers and set the nonbelievers straight, Mr. Miami.

  • Chris O'Leary Posted: Sep.15 at 11:47 am
    I always liked Stack Mac for Holly’s nickname.

  • Darksaber Posted: Sep.15 at 11:48 am
    And yeah, you are right to assume the worst. I heard from a little bird, that our favorite player got ranked based on his pre olympic status. oops, not good.

  • TADOne Posted: Sep.15 at 11:48 am
    Nice Chris.

  • mike Posted: Sep.15 at 11:49 am
    he should be ranked much lower i mean to be better than rip,artest,shaq come on guys

  • Bryan Posted: Sep.15 at 11:52 am
    He should probably be ranked based on his NBA play since if people were ranked on their olympic play 2/3 of the list would be disqualified.

  • Darksaber Posted: Sep.15 at 11:54 am
    True that Bryan.

  • H to the Izzo Posted: Sep.15 at 11:56 am
    Nice work,Holly.

  • Holly MacKenzie Posted: Sep.15 at 11:57 am
    I like Chris O’s nick, since it makes me sound like my guy Stack Jack.

  • Darksaber Posted: Sep.15 at 12:02 pm
    Aww, and here i was hoping mine would stick. Stack it is then.

  • B. Long Posted: Sep.15 at 12:11 pm
    There is a bad joke that someone will probably make eventually about that nickname, but I respect Holly as a writer too much to say it. Josh needs to get out of Dallas. I expect him to get traded to Denver before the deadline this year.

  • Lz - Cphfinest3 Posted: Sep.15 at 12:14 pm
    Good spot for Josh, although (like just about everybody else) I would pick Ron, Mnta, RIP, and J. Smith over him. Josh’s game is like Pippen Max (as in Pepsi; don’t pack the force, has a flat taste, but is still quite enjoyable). What’s up with all of you calling Eboy Mr. Miami, did he win some sort of competition home at East Ridge?

  • Lz - Cphfinest3 Posted: Sep.15 at 12:15 pm
    Oh and btw, good work young Mrs. Mackenzie.

  • TADOne Posted: Sep.15 at 12:40 pm
    LZ: I think it is MS. MacKenzie. I don’t think she has gotten that proposal just yet.

  • Russ Bengtson Posted: Sep.15 at 12:41 pm
    Holly’s married?

  • Holly MacKenzie Posted: Sep.15 at 12:42 pm
    haha you would be correct, Tad. The idea of me being married right now just makes me laugh. ha. Glad you guys enjoyed a little Josh Howard this morning, even if you’d put him a little lower on the list!

  • Eboy Posted: Sep.15 at 12:47 pm
    Not much lower, though.

  • Lz - Cphfinest3 Posted: Sep.15 at 12:51 pm
    Hehe.. My bad, was actually meaning to write Ms. But at least you’ll have many suiters Holly as I’m sure all the eligible bachelors will stalk you even more around here, after the confirmation of your eligibility.

  • Jukai Posted: Sep.15 at 12:52 pm
    Start printing up that restraining order, Holly

  • Eboy Posted: Sep.15 at 12:53 pm
    Poor Holly. :(

  • Lz - Cphfinest3 Posted: Sep.15 at 12:54 pm
    You probably wouldn’t know Eboy, but is actually a nice thing to be desired.

  • Lz - Cphfinest3 Posted: Sep.15 at 12:55 pm
    *its

  • TADOne Posted: Sep.15 at 12:58 pm
    Desired is one thing. Stalked is completely a different thing. Quick Ryne, track LZ’s IP address.

  • Lz - Cphfinest3 Posted: Sep.15 at 1:09 pm
    Hehe.. Don’t worry TAD, Holly is American (although a good writer and BBall fanatic) and that’s not exactly my favorite dish. If you recall I’ve never given Holly comments on anything but her writing, the same can’t be said about a host of the other commentators, who have more or less openly courted her. I was referring to this love-seeking mob in my first post, the second was just a dig at Mr. Retirement home.

  • TADOne Posted: Sep.15 at 1:10 pm
    Actually, she is Canadian. Close enough.

  • Jukai Posted: Sep.15 at 1:12 pm
    Ignorant Europeans: They don’t care enough to know the difference between Canadians and Americans!

  • Lz - Cphfinest3 Posted: Sep.15 at 1:13 pm
    Potato/PotatO..

  • Jukai Posted: Sep.15 at 1:13 pm
    I should note that the above comment was made to be comical, before people start e-mailing Ryne again.

  • Lz - Cphfinest3 Posted: Sep.15 at 1:14 pm
    Actually I know the two main differences Jukai: Canadians are far more cultivated, Americans are far more gun-crazy.

  • Jukai Posted: Sep.15 at 1:17 pm
    Whoa, whoa, WHOA! You forgot religiously-clingy too, LZ.

  • TADOne Posted: Sep.15 at 1:17 pm
    Does Palin really make people believe that? Interesting.

  • Gerald Posted: Sep.15 at 1:24 pm
    Great write up Holly! J-Ho needs to step it up this year and be the player he was 3 years ago

  • Lz - Cphfinest3 Posted: Sep.15 at 1:28 pm
    Hehe.. True that Jukes.. Experience TAD, experience..

  • Jukai Posted: Sep.15 at 1:40 pm
    LZ wishes America was a gun-outlawed, no-crime haven. Sorta like Mexico. Mexico is one of those two, at least.

  • Holly MacKenzie Posted: Sep.15 at 1:41 pm
    No Palin talk in my write up, please!!! Blahhhhhhh. Thanks! :) hahah

  • TADOne Posted: Sep.15 at 1:54 pm
    Sorry Stack Mac. I actually did cringe while I typed her name. Karma is certain to pay me back.

  • Lz - Cphfinest3 Posted: Sep.15 at 2:25 pm
    TAD; Okarma will be paying you back for the next 4 years, if you do the right thing.

  • tealish Posted: Sep.15 at 2:30 pm
    haha good one.

  • overtime Posted: Sep.15 at 2:57 pm
    Above David West?!Are you serious?

  • BETCATS Posted: Sep.15 at 3:00 pm
    Holly Mackenzie>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

  • DP Posted: Sep.15 at 3:07 pm
    How do we go from talking about Josh to politics? cnn.com is only a type away guys…and overtime, Josh against West is one I would have to think about for a minute.

  • BETCATS Posted: Sep.15 at 3:10 pm
    i am more dissapointed they did it when i wasnt here DP

  • DP Posted: Sep.15 at 3:17 pm
    I’ve had enough of politics, BET. In AP english today that is all these kids talk about. Obama sucks. McCain is old. Palin is a bad mother. McCain does not equal Bush. I’m surrounded by republicans. I’m coming with my Obama shirt on next week to make them mad as hell.

  • BETCATS Posted: Sep.15 at 3:21 pm
    rebuplicans

  • Holly MacKenzie Posted: Sep.15 at 3:29 pm
    you guys fans of Josh, Bet/DP?

  • BETCATS Posted: Sep.15 at 3:32 pm
    damm, the less than sign went away

  • BETCATS Posted: Sep.15 at 3:33 pm
    Holly, i am a fan of you, Josh went to Wake Forest, im a NC State type of person. He seems cool though.

  • BETCATS Posted: Sep.15 at 3:36 pm
    and i hate Dallas, i cant even use words (Unless i wanna go all PG-13 on yall’s a$$e$) to decribe that hate.

  • DP Posted: Sep.15 at 3:36 pm
    Back to business…in a way, yes, Holly. I hate his shot and his awkard moves but dude is hella efficent. Averaging 19 and 7 is all star numbers all day in my book. Dude is the cornerstone for the franchise(Dirk pisses me beyond my boundaries) and so what if he smokes weed? I’m not going to lie, I smoke a little weed(not anymore because I get drug tested every month for cross country and b-ball) and I feel perfect. It improves my work ethic. Naw I lying but J-Ho will be a baller whether he smokes or not. and looking at the stats, the Mavs are like freakin 50-0 when Howard scores more than 20 points. you get my point.

  • DP Posted: Sep.15 at 3:37 pm
    I’m a fan of SwaggerJack. no one has S.L.H.

  • H to the Izzo Posted: Sep.15 at 3:41 pm
    DP:But I’m assuming you don’t get paid ridiculous amounts of money to play a game that has very little rules.One of those is to not smoke weed,surely if you’re getting payed millions to not smoke weed and play basketball,not smoking weed isn’t sucha hard sacrifice.(plus,there was very little to gain from publicly admitting that he does AND it’s what the off season is for)
    PS-I’m assuming that means you made the bball team?Well done.

  • DP Posted: Sep.15 at 3:45 pm
    Yes, Izzo, the coach is a douche but I’m on by the little hairs on my chinny chin chin. FTH….coach Broom. I don’t smoke anymore either. My cross country made me not want to even look at anything that has smoke coming out of it.

  • nbk Posted: Sep.15 at 3:51 pm
    He is not getting payed to not smoke weed he is getting payed to play basketball, and he said he only does it in the offseason. The question should be why do you have a problem with him expressing himself?

  • Holly MacKenzie Posted: Sep.15 at 3:52 pm
    DP, you’re a funny guy. S.L.H. ahaahah
    Izzo, I didn’t really get the whole radio interview and the timing, but I’m not really shocked or upset that guys are smoking. Besides this horrible finish to his season, I think Josh’s game is okay so I can’t hate on him for being honest even if I personally don’t agree with his choices. That being said, if he continues to make bad choices with regards to partying during the playoffs… Well, we may have some issues then. hahahah

  • BETCATS Posted: Sep.15 at 3:53 pm
    nbk!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • DP Posted: Sep.15 at 3:54 pm
    No one has a problem with him smoking and expressing himself. It is just that the organization doesn’t approve of it and they do not want it to affect the play of one of their, if not best, player.

  • nbk Posted: Sep.15 at 3:55 pm
    Actually Mark Cuban said he can’t be mad at him because he has smoked enough to cough up a lung so the organization doesn’t really care at all

  • DP Posted: Sep.15 at 3:56 pm
    Who else no what S.L.H. means besides Holly? yeah you don’t. you are either reading slow or I’m typing to fast for ya. get with the program guys.

  • BETCATS Posted: Sep.15 at 3:56 pm
    if josh smoked on the low, nobody would care because nobody would know!! but he decided that he needed to tell everybody about what he done did, so now it is a topic of discussion. What would everyone on SLAM do if i outed my habits involving drinks and things that i smoke? if its not your bussiness, i wont tell you, and thats what josh should have done. Josh should have kept his private bussiness private, but he didnt, so we are having this discussion right now.

  • BETCATS Posted: Sep.15 at 3:57 pm
    NBK = mark cuban quote creater

  • nbk Posted: Sep.15 at 3:57 pm
    good point bet, but he does what he does it shouldn’t effect how people look at his performance on the court

  • DP Posted: Sep.15 at 3:57 pm
    Cuban will be in the MLB…

  • nbk Posted: Sep.15 at 3:58 pm
    No mark cuban really said that i didn’t make it up he said it on the dan patrick radio show

  • Diogo Posted: Sep.15 at 3:58 pm
    He’s better than Lamar Odom?

  • nbk Posted: Sep.15 at 3:59 pm
    Diogo run run for the hills

  • DP Posted: Sep.15 at 4:00 pm
    what happens in the offseason stays in the offseason. I’m just wondering is this guy a solid fantasy pick? hmm….

  • H to the Izzo Posted: Sep.15 at 4:01 pm
    The fact that the weed smoking admission co-encided(or however you spell that word) with a lacksadascial and underwhelming personal season for him probably didn’t help either.Make cross-joints on your own time and in private.Oh and hi Holly!.

  • nbk Posted: Sep.15 at 4:02 pm
    he has been for the last 4 years but his biggest contribution is on D

  • Jukai Posted: Sep.15 at 4:02 pm
    He did not say it in those words, nbk. He said he would not bring his opinion into the subject because it would be hypocritical considering he has smoked pot in the past (but he was inferring that he did not really care for Josh Howard doing it).

  • DP Posted: Sep.15 at 4:02 pm
    I wouldn’t say better than Lamar, but he more assertive in getting his than Lamar. Lamar is too nice to others when he just needs to take whats his. He does it in spurts during the season but never constant. You could say the same for J-Ho but he is normally consistent.

  • Jukai Posted: Sep.15 at 4:03 pm
    The “coughing up a lung” part was actually Cuban saying he did NOT like weed, cause he coughed up a lung trying it.

  • DP Posted: Sep.15 at 4:04 pm
    Ju coming in with the truth.

  • BETCATS Posted: Sep.15 at 4:04 pm
    NBK, do you know what weed does to you? Eventually (this is frome experince via talking to cats who have been hitting it for a while) after about 10 years of smoking your lungs get pretty messed up. IF you dont have good lungs, how are you gonna play ball for 48 minutes. All the time we here about dudes colapsing in practice, they turn up dead, and then it gets reveled they were all puffing on their blunts. IF Josh keeps smoking weed, eventually you will see the affects on his body.

  • nbk Posted: Sep.15 at 4:04 pm
    HAHA no it didn’t thats never what coughing up a lung means but lets not get into that this is about ball not chronic

  • DP Posted: Sep.15 at 4:05 pm
    I know I almost coughed up a damn kidney.

  • nbk Posted: Sep.15 at 4:06 pm
    believe me bet i smoke plenty of weed and no it will never cause him to age faster or die haha never ever

  • nbk Posted: Sep.15 at 4:07 pm
    unless he do it on the bus, in the hotel room, before his games and just throughout the day but other than that it is like drinking alocohol.

  • DP Posted: Sep.15 at 4:07 pm
    makes you jump higher. or at least that’s what I believe.

  • BETCATS Posted: Sep.15 at 4:08 pm
    ^lmao

  • TADOne Posted: Sep.15 at 4:08 pm
    Well please stop doing it before getting on the keyboard and typing up crazy stuff.

  • H to the Izzo Posted: Sep.15 at 4:09 pm
    I assume most if not all of NBA players drink alcohol.Weed is no worse than alcohol.There is no weed related health problems that will be clearly seen during his career.This is all down to perception and the stigma surrounding smoking weed and the obvious lack of (perceived) commitment him being so blatant about it shows.

  • DP Posted: Sep.15 at 4:09 pm
    Keep doing it then, nbk. I hope you will be able to post on this site in ten years.

  • nbk Posted: Sep.15 at 4:09 pm
    I know yall are tired of me bringing him up but he is a perfect example of why you can keep blowin and your career wont be affected his name is Clifford Robinson he played for 16 years and is best friends with snoop, he aged at the same rate as everyone else in the league does

  • Jukai Posted: Sep.15 at 4:10 pm
    hahha, NBK, that is what coughing up a lung means from a billionaire nerdy white guy.

  • Jukai Posted: Sep.15 at 4:10 pm
    EXACT QUOTE:
    Patrick: Do you care if he smokes pot?
    Cuban: I’d be a hypocrite if I said ‘yes’ because I’ve inhaled, and when I inhaled I coughed a couple lungs out. And so I was never a big fan of smoking, but if I’ve tried it I can’t look at somebody and say, ‘How can you try it?’ That’s just terrible. [...] Again, I’d just be hypocritical if I said, ‘Josh, smoking pot is just the worst thing you could possibly do.

  • DP Posted: Sep.15 at 4:11 pm
    Let me stop before Tad gets on my back…

  • BETCATS Posted: Sep.15 at 4:12 pm
    “nbk says:
    believe me bet i smoke plenty of weed and no it will never cause him to age faster or die haha never ever” odbivously, you havent. Maybe you hit one or 2 (thats being genorus, because having experince dealing with you, i know you are full of sh!t) but if you done did it for over 5 years you would be messed up. Cat i know named Q (i am not spillin full names on yall) smoked weed since 6th grade, played ball all thru high school, got a scholarship to play Divison 2 Basketball, but had to drop it because he could not run in practice. And he was good too. He is about 5′10 (standing on stilts) but he had HOPS. Now he just chills and drives his car around to nowhere. He is my boy and all, but smoking ruined him.

  • nbk Posted: Sep.15 at 4:12 pm
    except you no nothing about mark cuban he is no nerdy white guy

  • TADOne Posted: Sep.15 at 4:12 pm
    Sorry, don’t mind my rants. Carry on…..

  • Jukai Posted: Sep.15 at 4:12 pm
    NBK = Not bloody knowledgeable

  • DP Posted: Sep.15 at 4:12 pm
    J-ho is a great player and he smokes weed. let’s leave it at that.

  • Allenp Posted: Sep.15 at 4:13 pm
    Weed, if smoked regularly, is almost as dangerous as cigarettes for your lungs. But, it’s probably not going to affect Howard’s career that much unless he’s going overboard. Lung damage takes time to accrue.

  • Jukai Posted: Sep.15 at 4:14 pm
    Mark it down on your calendars: Allen is right in every single thing he just said!

  • TADOne Posted: Sep.15 at 4:14 pm
    Thank you Allen. I’ll bow out now. I still don’t like the Mavs.

  • H to the Izzo Posted: Sep.15 at 4:15 pm
    Good to know all the medical experts are out being medical experts and not posting on SLAM boards.

  • DP Posted: Sep.15 at 4:15 pm
    I’m done with the smoking part but I want to get back in.

  • nbk Posted: Sep.15 at 4:15 pm
    BetCats i am not a high school kid i have plenty of life experience i know what smokin weed can do to your body, trust me i don’t need to air my dirty laundry on this website but i know what it can and can’t do and trust me josh howard is not doing it enough to end up like your 5′10 friend named Q

  • DP Posted: Sep.15 at 4:16 pm
    I see rainbows with hakeem from coming to America looking at me.

  • nbk Posted: Sep.15 at 4:16 pm
    And yall think there aren’t guys in the league that smoke cigarettes? Just like Allen said weed can be almost as bad as smoking cigarettes and those are legal if you didn’t notice

  • BETCATS Posted: Sep.15 at 4:17 pm
    and No i am not some anti weed public service annonucement. I may or may not have tried it and smoked it repeativly, i might still do it. I just dont understand 2 things. 1). How people who supposivly ‘tried it’ are running around here talking openly about it. If you are really that happy you smoke weed, why are you on the computer right now? 2). How you guys dont think that in the long run, weed will do NOTHING to you? Actions have consequnces, and that statement is very aplicable to weed. IF you dont understand that, ask somebody who smokes it for a real long time, they will tell you.

  • DP Posted: Sep.15 at 4:17 pm
    body shots thrown.

  • nbk Posted: Sep.15 at 4:18 pm
    JHo is in a good spot on this list and good write up holly

  • DP Posted: Sep.15 at 4:19 pm
    Please don’t let tuesday’s pick be anybody that smokes or likes little kids.

  • BETCATS Posted: Sep.15 at 4:19 pm
    nbk = Narcissistic humanBeing who wants to Kill your brain

  • DP Posted: Sep.15 at 4:19 pm
    ^changed that damn subject quick as hell.

  • H to the Izzo Posted: Sep.15 at 4:20 pm
    People also know the difference between actual facts compiled by people who know what they’re taking about and,you know,have studied medicine and anecdotal evidence about a short man named Q.

  • DP Posted: Sep.15 at 4:20 pm
    nbk that is.

  • BETCATS Posted: Sep.15 at 4:20 pm
    DP i am sure a lot of dudes in the NBA do smoke not on the norm, BUT Josh’s mistake was disclosing it, and NBK and your mistake is condoning it.

  • nbk Posted: Sep.15 at 4:20 pm
    Bet i got family members that have been blowin since they were in middle school, one of them is in his 40’s and still plays ball 3-4 days a week you just have to know how to take care of yourself

  • nbk Posted: Sep.15 at 4:22 pm
    i am not condoning it, my uncle still gets sick easier than most people his age and has gotten Lung infections and all sorts of nasty sht but he is still somewhat healthy and he does things i would never recommend to anybody, i am just sayin people makin a bigger deal than they need to about josh howards habits

  • BETCATS Posted: Sep.15 at 4:26 pm
    BETCATS says:
    NBK, do you know what weed does to you? Eventually (this is frome experince via talking to cats who have been hitting it for a while) after about 10 years of smoking your lungs get pretty messed up. IF you dont have good lungs, how are you gonna play ball for 48 minutes. All the time we here about dudes colapsing in practice, they turn up dead, and then it gets reveled they were all puffing on their blunts. IF Josh keeps smoking weed, eventually you will see the affects on his body. nbk says: “and has gotten Lung infections” my point exaclty. NBA Players need their lungs!

  • BETCATS Posted: Sep.15 at 4:27 pm
    but i am done here today. NBK and DP: tell harold and kumar i said hi. Thanks for spreading that nice Pro-Drug message!

  • nbk Posted: Sep.15 at 4:28 pm
    Yeah but guys in the NBA don’t smoke like Drug dealers they do have a career they are focusing on i am saying you are looking at it like he is smoking crack, what he does in the offseason is what he does it will never affect his career ever no matter how many cats you have talked to

  • TADOne Posted: Sep.15 at 4:35 pm
    So, I hear Josh has a pretty good hustle game and can hit a 3 on the regular.

  • Jukai Posted: Sep.15 at 4:40 pm
    You’re right TADOne, SLAM is not meant to have serious, intelligent discussions so let’s change the subject.

  • TADOne Posted: Sep.15 at 4:42 pm
    Was there a serious discussion going on? My bad.
    P.S.- Let’s not take everything so literally.

  • scott Posted: Sep.15 at 4:51 pm
    I didn’t have Josh Howard in my list of the top 50 players. I had Hedo Turkoglu at #37. Turko put up 20,5,5 last year.

  • nbk Posted: Sep.15 at 4:57 pm
    JHO would have put up 25 if he had Dwight instead of Dirk scott you can’t just take their stats and make a judgment off of that

  • Jukai Posted: Sep.15 at 4:58 pm
    TADOne, how many times have you had to say that today?

  • TADOne Posted: Sep.15 at 5:01 pm
    First actually. But i’m done with work. Have a good day.

  • ciolkstar Posted: Sep.15 at 5:23 pm
    I love Slamonline, but Ziller’s list at fanhouse rocks the sh!t out of this one.

  • jb21 Posted: Sep.15 at 5:23 pm
    “I didn’t have Josh Howard in my list of the top 50 players. I had Hedo Turkoglu at #37. Turko put up 20,5,5 last year.” In the East I bet Hedo doesn’t smoke the cronic Josh Howard is dope

  • ciolkstar Posted: Sep.15 at 5:32 pm
    Also, Kareem Abdul Jabbar and Robert “Chief” Parish had extremely long, successfull careers and have been known to burn frequently. (Sheed too. And others I won’t disclose b/c its contray to their perceived image)

  • Eboy Posted: Sep.15 at 5:33 pm
    @ciolkstar’s 5:23p comment: whoop dee fuc*ing doo!!!!

  • Jukai Posted: Sep.15 at 5:37 pm
    Short Term Memory TAD. Nice nickname.

  • Moose Posted: Sep.15 at 5:38 pm
    Yeah sure, Josh Howard had a little controversy. But this is the “Top 50 Players in the NBA”, they’re not making a “Top 50 Role Models in the NBA”. Remember that Ronron has also been listed.

  • Money Bill Williams Posted: Sep.15 at 5:58 pm
    Mooses comment is fiar enough

  • Money Bill Williams Posted: Sep.15 at 6:10 pm
    ^fair

  • Money Bill Williams Posted: Sep.15 at 6:12 pm
    sorry but like BET, i don’t condone voicing publically smoking weed. My best mate from school’s brothers have developed schitzophrenia from being long time chronic smokers so they all kinds of f*cked up now

  • Gerard Himself Posted: Sep.15 at 6:33 pm
    anyway, let’s take it back to the concrete streets….

  • scott Posted: Sep.15 at 6:49 pm
    Howard had a bad second half of the season. He completely disappeared in the loss to New Orleans (shot like 25% from the floor). I just think he is a little over-rated.

  • Money Bill Williams Posted: Sep.15 at 7:01 pm
    of amsterdam?

  • BETCATS Posted: Sep.15 at 7:06 pm
    steel jungle

  • Money Bill Williams Posted: Sep.15 at 7:32 pm
    BET, i was waiting for all hell to break loose but teddy never came to the party!

  • BETCATS Posted: Sep.15 at 7:33 pm
    yeah

  • BETCATS Posted: Sep.15 at 7:40 pm
    numa numa!!!

  • Teddy-the-Bear Posted: Sep.15 at 7:41 pm
    I agree with Sesa. I’m a bit busy now, don’t feel like typing up a whole bunch of sh!t about how stupid BETCATS is. I might do that later. PS: Josh is ranked too high, West and Redd are too low.

  • BETCATS Posted: Sep.15 at 7:46 pm
    Teddy came. Why dont i feel the ambition to attack him? Maybe i learned that attacking Teddy Bears is wrong. Maybe i realized, as i was ripping the Bear in half, pulling out those little buttons it had for eyes i felt bad. Maybe when the stuffing was all over the floor i felt bad. Maybe, when its mangled head was hanging from the ceeling fan in the living room i felt bad. God said to repent, all i do is represent my bobcats and this hater was asking for it. I see now that you can not destroy haters, you must learn to live and deal with them. So what, some guy on the internet (who enojoys g@y cyber sexxing) hates me. THe fact is, he is the ONLY one (on or off line) that hates me. If i have to live with 1 hater, a guy i never met and never will meet, and thats it, then fine. I got better things to worry about than that.

  • what Posted: Sep.15 at 7:47 pm
    Howard is a top 50 player, but he should be about 10 spots lower.

  • BETCATS Posted: Sep.15 at 7:47 pm
    so now i am off to eat dinner, pray to god, and watch Monday Night Football. Peace

  • Money Bill Williams Posted: Sep.15 at 7:55 pm
    Ah BET, you’ve done it again. by the way check out my new site!

  • BETCATS Posted: Sep.15 at 7:56 pm
    i am not watching monday night footbal. Dallas v. Philly? Uggggggggggggggggh

  • B. Long Posted: Sep.15 at 8:04 pm
    Go Cowboys! T.O. gonna spank that Eagle ass tonite!

  • BETCATS Posted: Sep.15 at 8:05 pm
    ^ T.O = The man

  • B. Long Posted: Sep.15 at 8:15 pm
    He loves him some him.

  • BETCATS Posted: Sep.15 at 8:29 pm
    indeed. But i love me some me too, so i cant complain. The media hates because he is arrogant, but at the same time, he can back it up!

  • Money Bill Williams Posted: Sep.15 at 8:41 pm
    man i sued to love T.O back in his eagle days with donovan. he came back from the ankle break into the superbowl, you have to respect that!

  • BETCATS Posted: Sep.15 at 8:41 pm
    you sued to love T.O.?

  • Money Bill Williams Posted: Sep.15 at 8:42 pm
    *used

  • BETCATS Posted: Sep.15 at 8:42 pm
    ^was it successfuly? What did the lawyer get out of it?

  • BETCATS Posted: Sep.15 at 8:43 pm
    Money, i visted you website

  • Moose Posted: Sep.15 at 8:43 pm
    lmao @ BET

  • Moose Posted: Sep.15 at 8:44 pm
    BETCATS: How old were you when you started posting on this site?

  • BETCATS Posted: Sep.15 at 8:44 pm
    Moose: +3

  • BETCATS Posted: Sep.15 at 8:45 pm
    13 i have been around forever!!

  • Hursty Posted: Sep.15 at 8:46 pm
    BEEF!

  • BETCATS Posted: Sep.15 at 8:46 pm
    well i was reading it when i was 13 and the site layout was totaly different, i started posting right before i turned 14, and i am turning 16 soon!!!!

  • BETCATS Posted: Sep.15 at 8:46 pm
    @ Hursty: PORK

  • Hursty Posted: Sep.15 at 8:48 pm
    Atta Boy BET! *8.46pm

  • Moose Posted: Sep.15 at 8:49 pm
    @ BETCATS 8:44: What you mean by “+3″?

  • BETCATS Posted: Sep.15 at 8:50 pm
    you always do that +1 stuff

  • Moose Posted: Sep.15 at 8:50 pm
    Yeah, way to be, BETCATS> :)

  • Hursty Posted: Sep.15 at 8:51 pm
    I remember the old site, sometimes if the school computer is running really slow it goes back to the 2001-2004 version or so.It was all blue, with barely any colour. Very basic.
    Attention RYNE: Please update the slam computers ability to ‘read’ emoticons and smileys. thanks.

  • Moose Posted: Sep.15 at 8:51 pm
    Yeah, its faster than saying “i agree”.

  • BETCATS Posted: Sep.15 at 8:53 pm
    i was just channeling you Moose, maybe if i change my name to Reindeer, we can discuss these things better

  • j-smoov 5 Posted: Sep.15 at 8:53 pm
    @ Benoit Benjaming: I’m a HUGE Josh Smith fan and it’s a really tough choice with Josh Howard being lower than Josh Smith. But Smith hasn’t got that jumper going just yet. When that happens he’ll be a high flying version of KG.

  • Moose Posted: Sep.15 at 8:54 pm
    Very funny, BET. Maybe I should change my name to Leopard or something.

  • Hursty Posted: Sep.15 at 8:55 pm
    @8:53 j-smoov 5- Yeh, no sh*t.

  • BETCATS Posted: Sep.15 at 8:55 pm
    KG? i think Josh will be an entity all his own when that J develops. It will be a FORCE

  • BETCATS Posted: Sep.15 at 8:56 pm
    naw, change your name to Mr.Tuutie Toot

  • Moose Posted: Sep.15 at 8:56 pm
    Yeah, Smith has freakish athletiscm.

  • Moose Posted: Sep.15 at 8:57 pm
    why?

  • BETCATS Posted: Sep.15 at 8:58 pm
    it would make you cooler

  • Moose Posted: Sep.15 at 8:59 pm
    aight. thats not happenin.

  • BETCATS Posted: Sep.15 at 9:00 pm
    darn

  • Hursty Posted: Sep.15 at 9:00 pm
    … You guys are odd ;)

  • Moose Posted: Sep.15 at 9:01 pm
    Thanks Hurst.

  • Hursty Posted: Sep.15 at 9:03 pm
    At least its odd in a non sexual way.

  • Money Bill Williams Posted: Sep.15 at 9:05 pm
    what happened to exams hurst, or are you finished yet?

  • BETCATS Posted: Sep.15 at 9:09 pm
    hursty and exams? yeah right

  • Moose Posted: Sep.15 at 9:10 pm
    Money and Hursty, how long does it take the new slam issues to get to australia?

  • BETCATS Posted: Sep.15 at 9:12 pm
    moose: years. They just got the Bassy and Lebron cover issue yesterday.

  • Hursty Posted: Sep.15 at 9:13 pm
    Im reading revision/study notes. I dont have an exam today. So Im chlling for ext english, pe and ancient history the rest of the week (bet, its tuesday morning here. 11:15 or so.)

  • Moose Posted: Sep.15 at 9:14 pm
    Hurst, you at school right now?

  • BETCATS Posted: Sep.15 at 9:14 pm
    cool. whats the future like Hursty?

  • Moose Posted: Sep.15 at 9:15 pm
    lmao BET

  • BETCATS Posted: Sep.15 at 9:15 pm
    its 9:14 at in the night here.

  • Moose Posted: Sep.15 at 9:16 pm
    But I was asking a real question. it even takes a couple weeks to get up here to beantown.

  • BETCATS Posted: Sep.15 at 9:17 pm
    serious questions are for serious discusions

  • Moose Posted: Sep.15 at 9:20 pm
    You got a point . . . this discussion was serious until about 4 o clock today.

  • BETCATS Posted: Sep.15 at 9:20 pm
    and that ends that…

  • Hursty Posted: Sep.15 at 9:20 pm
    Just looking at Langs interviews with Gilbert for the season previews is great. Funny stuff. I prob cant link it cos it’ll get stuck in moderation. Besides Prelims dont mean anything.

  • BETCATS Posted: Sep.15 at 9:21 pm
    or not

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