Jul.23 at 9:57 am

TADOne says:
Good for Josh. I can’t wait to hear what #1 Hawks fan Lang has to say about this later.

Jul.23 at 9:58 am

Bryant Reeves says:
Wow, the Hawks are taking f@cuking up their team to a whole new level. So Childress has to stay in Greece for 2 years to get out of Atlanta owning his rights? He must really hate the Hawks.

Jul.23 at 10:02 am

Holly MacKenzie says:
So crazy. Most lucrative deal in Euroleague history! I think I love this.

Jul.23 at 10:02 am

BETCATS says:
My Big Fat Greek Contract

Jul.23 at 10:06 am

JJG says:
Weak, baby cry Childress. Be a man and stick to your contract that nobody signed but yourself. NBA players are fools sometimes. Play the game

Jul.23 at 10:06 am

BETCATS says:
!

Jul.23 at 10:11 am

Eboy says:
I wonder if Euro fans will be complaining about the influx of American players and how they are polluting their games with their “fancy dribbling and showoff styles”?

Jul.23 at 10:11 am

Ryan Jones says:
JJG, please tell us your real name so we can attach a face to the public declarations of stupidity.

Jul.23 at 10:13 am

Eboy says:
Ryan, in JJG’s defense, there is something to be said about honoring a deal.

Jul.23 at 10:14 am

Brandon Hoffman says:
Eboy, honoring what deal? Childress was a free agent.

Jul.23 at 10:16 am

Ryan Jones says:
I was gonna give Eboy — a lawyer, allegedly — a minute to correct himself, but Brandon offers no such grace period. Eboy is banned for being a dummy.

Jul.23 at 10:17 am

Jukai says:
No, he was a restricted free agent, Brandon. Wikipedia it. His contract was still owned by Atlanta.

Jul.23 at 10:17 am

Brandon Hoffman says:
Childress was worth the contract he signed with Olympiakos. The Hawks were dumb for not paying him market value. I swear, there should be a committee that repossesses NBA franchises from owners who have no business owning an NBA team.

Jul.23 at 10:17 am

Russ Bengtson says:
Yes, Chill didn’t have an NBA contract. Except for the fact that he was a “restricted” free agent, meaning “good luck leaving Atlanta.” I hope he convinces Josh Smith to come to Greece with him.

Jul.23 at 10:18 am

Brandon Hoffman says:
@ Jukai - Restricted free agent or not, the Hawks knew the deal. They were aware of what Olympiakos was offering him. If Atlanta would have matched, Childress would have stayed. They didn’t, so he left. More power to him.

Jul.23 at 10:18 am

Eboy says:
I didn’t mean Josh’s situation Brandon, just as a general rule is all. American sport is going down the dangerous road (and has been for some time) that if a guy doesn’t like his situation, he justs sits out and pouts and is “honored” with a move of his liking. Owners suck, players are way to pampered and now everyone that has a voice to complain does just to be heard, with merit or not.

Jul.23 at 10:19 am

Eboy says:
Yes, leave it to a school teacher to make an as*hole out of himself with an assumption.

Jul.23 at 10:21 am

Brandon Hoffman says:
@ Eboy - You’re right. But this is what David Stern wanted — the globalization of the game of basketball. And I’m all for it. I wonder if Stern envisioned globalization coming with a pricetag?

Jul.23 at 10:21 am

Jukai says:
@Brandon: Yes, I agree. In the Iverson post, I even said it seemed like Josh was WAITING for the Hawks to make a move by waiting so long to sign this Greece deal when he made it very public that this was happening as far back as Sunday night. The Hawks didn’t seem to do anything, so Childress signed with Greece. I’m just saying that he still belonged to Atlanta, he wasn’t an unrestricted free agent. I’m not saying he didn’t do the logical thing.

Jul.23 at 10:22 am

Eboy says:
Or the fact that the globalization doesn’t include any NBA franchises were the players are headed to.

Jul.23 at 10:23 am

Co Co says:
Contracts are meant to be broken

Jul.23 at 10:23 am

Brandon Hoffman says:
@ Jukai - Childress didn’t “belong” to anyone. He was a free agent. Just because Atlanta would have had the option to match a deal from another NBA team, doesn’t mean they had him under contract.

Jul.23 at 10:24 am

Eboy says:
Yes, Co Co, that’s part of the reason why our country’s economy is on a steady sh*t slide.

Jul.23 at 10:24 am

Russ Bengtson says:
Childress didn’t “sit out and pout.” He was presented with a situation that was far better than the one he was in, and he took it. Euros are worth more than the pathetic dollar, and Athens, GR probably trumps Athens, GA. It’s not like he had an obligation to play for a clueless team in an arrogant and out-of-touch League. The key word in “restricted free agent” is “free.” Good for Josh.

Jul.23 at 10:26 am

Eboy says:
Again, it wasn’t directed at Josh’s situation. It was in reference to Ryan’s comment.

Jul.23 at 10:26 am

Russ Bengtson says:
HE WASN’T UNDER CONTRACT. Lack of basic reading comprehension is why this country is on a steady sh*t slide.

Jul.23 at 10:27 am

Benoit Benjamin says:
Watch out Brooklyn, lebron is going to Germany in 2010.

Jul.23 at 10:27 am

Eboy says:
Stop stealing my terms!!!!!!!!!!!

Jul.23 at 10:27 am

Co Co says:
I’m happy he did it especially since everyone thought he was just using the Greek team as leverage. I don’t know how they could think he was bluffing after he took the time to fly over there. That alone should have told them he was seriously considering it.

Jul.23 at 10:32 am

BETCATS says:
didnt Bob Macadoo play in Europe? he was pretty good at one point right?

Jul.23 at 10:32 am

Ryan Jones says:
Never reference me again, Eboy.
I may expound on this whole thing shortly. I know you’ll all hold your breath.

Jul.23 at 10:33 am

BETCATS says:
so their is really nothing revolutionary if i a over the hill super star (Stephoooooon) go’s and plays Euro ball because Bob did it first.

Jul.23 at 10:33 am

Brandon Hoffman says:
I discussed this in a blog I wrote a few day ago but I’ll touch on it here too. KG is the NBA’s highest paid NBA player at $24,751,934 next year. After taxes, KG will clear roughly half of his salary, or $12,375,967. Now, there isn’t a team overseas that could afford to pay him that much now, but there will be one day. How tempting would it be for KG to pocket all $24,751,934 overseas?

Jul.23 at 10:36 am

Brandon Hoffman says:
It’s only a matter of time before the level of competition overseas catches up to the level here in the States. When that happens, the difference maker will be dollars and cents. Team overseas will always have an advantage because of the difference between gross vs. net. Ten years from now, we’re going to look upon this off-season as the year that changed the NBA irrevocably.

Jul.23 at 10:39 am

Bryan says:
Josh Childress sucks anyway.

Jul.23 at 10:41 am

kevbo says:
This is all Alan Greenspan’s fault. F***ing quitter. Somebody get that guy back.

Jul.23 at 10:42 am

Jukai says:
Brandon, if they keep paying people like Josh Childress 20 million, there is no way they’re going to have enough money for Kevin Garnett. They’re comitting the SAME MISTAKES that the USA is committing… signing subpar players to HUGE contracts. Look at Snackbar. Yes, they have unlimited revenue, but the Euroleague also has a history of teams overspending and then collapsing. Don’t look for stars heading over sea anytime soon.

Jul.23 at 10:44 am

Jukai says:
I think you’re really going overboard, Brandon. It’s not like Childress got top dollar offers from playoff contenders. He got screwed over by the Hawks and now is shoving it to them by playing in Europe. In a year or two, he will be back in the NBA. The fact that High School players are going to Europe is shocking. Mid-level talent fleeing to Europe has happened in the past, it’s just they’re getting WAY MORE MONEY THAN THEY DESERVE now.

Jul.23 at 10:46 am

Russ Bengtson says:
$20 million over three years is a huge contract? It’s barely over the midlevel.

Jul.23 at 10:47 am

Jukai says:
I can’t wait for Ryan’s article, where he rants on for twenty hours about how the black athletes are fighting back and he calls David Stern a money hording Jew and then goes on to continuously hope for the demise of the league which he is employed to write about.

Jul.23 at 10:49 am

Ryne Nelson says:
Russ, it’s supposed to be ‘far more’ than the $20M that was initially expected.

Jul.23 at 10:50 am

Jukai says:
Mid-level exception is fifteen million, Russ, but the Euro is nearly double the dollar. Let’s not pretend any Euro team has 56 million Euros to spend on their roster. You can lie and say they do, but they don’t.

Jul.23 at 10:50 am

Brandon Hoffman says:
@ Jukai - If you were an expert on European basketball, you could say that Olympiakos overspent for Childress. I think it’s fair to assume that Childress will have greater impact in Europe than he would have had in the NBA. So at this point in time, Olympiakos’ offer appears to be money well spent. Not to mention the added attention the team will receive next season. That attention will translate to additional revenue.

Jul.23 at 10:51 am

Joe A says:
Is the contract 20 million dollars, or 20 million euros? If its euros, it would be like making 10 mil a year in the NBA.

Jul.23 at 10:53 am

Russ Bengtson says:
Still, not a lot of professional sports franchises have gone bankrupt trying to pay their players. It’s not like he’s getting $20 million a year. The dollar is in the toilet, and the Hawks are possibly the worst-run franchise in the NBA. Can anyone really say this move is a surprise? This is only the beginning.

Jul.23 at 10:54 am

Brandon Hoffman says:
The Euro to dollar exchange rate is presently 1.5691. Twenty million Euros is $31,382,000 dollars.

Jul.23 at 10:55 am

Jukai says:
Brandon, you made some assumptions: a) that Childress will have a greater impact on Europe. Europe plays mostly zone defense, which Childress has never played before, and Europe’s game is mostly comprised of sloppy, forced layups and jump shots, which Childress also isn’t used to. I don’t disagree that Josh can’t excel in Europe, and on Olympiakos, there’s no one who is gonna take his spot, but just wait and see before you say he’s going to cause a huge draw. Also, overpaying or not, they still spent a boatload.

Jul.23 at 10:55 am

Jukai says:
I forgot what b was, but there was a b. Russ is a nutcase.

Jul.23 at 10:59 am

Russ Bengtson says:
Because no NBA team has ever overpaid for a free agent who wound up not fitting in. They HAD to overpay for Josh. If he likes it and others follow him, it will have been a very small investment for a very large return. Regardless, I’d venture to say that many NBA fans (myself included) will be keeping close tabs on Josh next season. As a PR move alone, it’s priceless.

Jul.23 at 10:59 am

TADOne says:
Player’s who will leave the L in the next 5 years to go Euro-Trippin include: Steph, Gerald Green, Adam Morrison, Sean May, Ndudi Ebi, and JJ Redick.

Jul.23 at 10:59 am

Brandon Hoffman says:
@ Jukai - Childress may not have played a lot of zone, but he’s played against it in the NBA and in college. He will be a huge draw though. The whole world is going to be watching Jennings and Childress next season.

Jul.23 at 11:02 am

halkias says:
Welcome to Greece Josh…Yu won’t regret it,i’m sure…

Jul.23 at 11:03 am

Michael says:
awesome news, well done josh

Jul.23 at 11:03 am

Marcel Mutoni says:
thanks josh. now i know what to have for lunch.

Jul.23 at 11:08 am

Michael says:
I think childress will eventually be known as a trailblazer for doing this, i expect a steady stream of mid level nba players, unhappy with their current situation, to look at europe as a realistic option. If enough of them sign, this could in turn lead to a flood of players doing it. The nba is no longer the be all and end all of basketball.

Jul.23 at 11:17 am

Jukai says:
My sentiments mirror Michael, not those of you who TOTALLY THINK KG and Lebron will be playing in France a year from now. Also, I wouldn’t mind seeing JJ Reddick playing in Europe.

Jul.23 at 11:30 am

Lang Whitaker says:
@Russ: The key thing, I think, is that it’s tax-free. Three years and $20 mil in an NBA contract, post-tax, is what, at most about $4 million a year? He’s almost doubling that in Europe. He wasn’t getting that much in offers this summer from any NBA teams, not just the Hawks.

Jul.23 at 11:55 am

TADOne says:
Thanks for the updates Lang.

Jul.23 at 11:58 am

Evan says:
he wasn’t born in greece

Jul.23 at 12:00 pm

Rob says:
@Jukai, I agree with what you say about the European game being jumpshots,forced layups etc and that Josh isn´t used to, but that shouldn´t matter as we europeans are white and horribly unathletic so what do you think will happen when a NBA standard black player comes over who plays a jumping game? Believe me i´ve played against these type of players, he will do very well in the Euroleague, mark my words…

Jul.23 at 12:07 pm

MCTyg says:
Please, stop saying Europe and say Greece.
I live in Europe and taxes in my country i.e. France are way higher than in the US or even in Greece. The real point here about Childress being paid that much is that he will be a franchise player in Olympiakos and that people will pay to see him play; He will probably bring them to a higher level although they already have a more than consistent roster.
Childress is a good Nba player but will be an excellent Euroleague player and an excellent player can get paid 10 mil a year, AI is making 20 mil in Denver to compare.
Im not saying Childress is AI but if an nba franchise can afford to pay an aging superstar 20 mil then a Euroleague franchise (because with this year modification, Olympiakos is sure to play in the Euroleague every year) can afford to pay 10 mil for its own superstar.

Jul.23 at 12:07 pm

Schortsianits-7 says:
there are less that 10 teams in europe that can afford to pay that kind of money at the monent. that means less than 10 open slots for players seeking such a contract so no problem for the NBA for the moment…On the other hand the problem is with my team (olympiakos) that signed an NBA - type of player (great athlete, average shooter, weak at passing and playing heavily organized basketball) when it appears that a more complete EURO-player like Carlos Delfino was available(i stll cannot believe that he signed for LESS money in Russia for a team that is not even at the euroleague….)

Jul.23 at 12:12 pm

B. Long says:
This is depressing on more than the sports fan level but America should be embarassed as a whole. How did we ever let it come to this?

Jul.23 at 12:13 pm

d.Y. says:
Didn’t we already know all these things?

Jul.23 at 12:14 pm

Zee! says:
Just a side question, but do the fans out there still throw objects at players? If so Josh’s fro may come in handy…

Jul.23 at 12:25 pm

Boing Dynasty says:
Does this Greece team know they are signing Josh CHILDRESS?

Jul.23 at 12:31 pm

Bryant Reeves says:
Did Josh just become the #1 example of love of $ superseding a love of basketball? Granted he’ll still be playing in Greece and can come back to the NBA anytime he wants, but where is the desire to play against the best of the best?

Jul.23 at 12:39 pm

Moose says:
good luck, josh.

Jul.23 at 12:40 pm

riggs says:
WILL HE FINALLY GET HIS HAIR BRAIDED?!?

Jul.23 at 12:43 pm

DP says:
Childress should average like 18 and 8 down in Greece. Tax-free? that’s whats up man. Is the tech corner still going to be on? I freakin loved that section of the magazine.

Jul.23 at 12:45 pm

Khalid Salaam says:
bryant reeves, there is no way you are this naive’ right?

Jul.23 at 12:46 pm

Cheryl says:
This set a real interesting precedent. I can’t say that it’s that bad to see players taking euro contracts to play overseas. I wouldn’t mind living in say, Paris or Barcelona, while earning 10 mil a year. How can that be bad? The league is going global whether it’s ready for it or not. This is gonna get real interesting.

Jul.23 at 12:48 pm

Joel Kimmel says:
I’m confused, why is his new contract tax-free?

Jul.23 at 12:48 pm

Jukai says:
hahaha@Boing Dynasty, NICE. Also, I totally second Salaam’s comment. I believe, since Childress is still playing basketball, he hasn’t given up the love of basketball.

Jul.23 at 12:51 pm

Jeronimo says:
I can’t wait to hear Childress say “malaka”

Jul.23 at 12:53 pm

Eboy says:
I wonder if this conversation would have a different tone if guys like Lebron, Kobe, CP3 and Da Howitzer took themselves out of the mix here and went to an overseas team? No one’s begging Josh to stay, but you could be fu*king sure that the organizations that house those guys listed above would move heaven and earth to stop them from taking a nice deal elsewhere, especially outside the confines of the NBA.

Jul.23 at 12:55 pm

Mark Z says:
Interesting. Let’s see if other young NBA players follow his lead…

Jul.23 at 1:00 pm

Is It The Shoes!!!!!!!!! says:
Thats garbage. Since when has it been cool to play in anywhere besides the NBA. Thats like sighning with the CBA or a minor league. I know the dollar isnt the same but come on its the NBA

Jul.23 at 1:02 pm

Mo Charlo says:
First step towards a basketball Champion’s League! Notice how every single person commenting that is paid to comment on basketball supports this choice. I support it, too, you can check my blog.

Jul.23 at 1:04 pm

Mo Charlo says:
Furthermore, these leagues have gotten a lot better. Where do you think we get our Euro players from? Also, at shoes: Athens, Greece > Atlanta, GA. Athens, GA > Atlanta, GA

Jul.23 at 1:07 pm

nothin personal says:
Olympiakos is my fav team, and I can say for sure they didn’t need him to be good. They have sptnt lots of money this offseason and Josh was just the icing on the cake. A P.R. move allright, and a hell of an expensive one!

Jul.23 at 1:07 pm

Jukai says:
damn, my comment didn’t show up?

Jul.23 at 1:11 pm

Eboy says:
Wow, an NP sighting! What’s up, my man?

Jul.23 at 1:14 pm

Redrum says:
The contract is tax free. The team pays his taxes. ALL OF THEM! They also give him a luxury car (almost any car he wishes) and accommodation in some the most luxurious houses in Greece, or a suite in a 5 star hotel, depending what he wishes. This is standard practice for European teams and high-profile players. These are all paid by the team, and are not included in his wages. The team pays for everything, house, car, taxes plus the 7mil per year. This is the equivalent of a 12 mil contract. Now ask again, why should he not take that????

Jul.23 at 1:15 pm

nothin personal says:
As for if they know wich Josh they signed, rest assured that Childress will return a lot better in defense abd fundamentals than he is leaving. Giannakis is a hell of a drill master and heavy on team D. I don’t thig he would touch the Atlien in a million years!

Jul.23 at 1:23 pm

nothin personal says:
Holidays, away from the internets. But for this news, I had to come and visit!

Jul.23 at 1:25 pm

Is It The Shoes!!!!!!!!! says:
Do give me that: those league are a lot better now. Whatever. Whenever Trajon Langdon is your leagus MVP. That league cant be that great. They are all filled up with guy who couldnt make it in the L. and yeah we get our “euro players” from over ther but how many of them come over her and kill. ill say about 12% of them

Jul.23 at 1:30 pm

Jukai says:
I’ll try again. @Eboy: I don’t think all-star caliber players are going to be leaving for Europe anytime within the next decade. They’d be viewed as cowards and wimps running to lesser competition, and that’s the same as committing suicide to the likes of Kobe or KG.

Jul.23 at 1:30 pm

nothin personal says:
You see, it’s not about killing around here, is about getting 10 points from 9 guys and snatching that W!

Jul.23 at 1:31 pm

Jukai says:
NP, that’s ridiculous to say. If Childress stayed in the NBA an extra year, he’d be a FAR better offensive player. Is that the logic we’re going for?

Jul.23 at 1:33 pm

Cheryl says:
Maybe not, E. Maybe, this is good for the league if they can convince Euro teams to join them in profit sharing. This could be the door opening a little to that happening and we’ll look back on the Childress signing as the first step that created a true GBA (Global Basketball Association).

Jul.23 at 1:33 pm

Redrum says:
Shoes guy… it is a different game buddy… In europe you either play within the system, or you watch from the stands. Coaches have great control on the game and great coaches are of great value. For example, Panathinaikos’s coach, Obradovic (best coach in the world along Pops and Jax) makes close to 4 million dollars per year (tax free, house car paid etc etc…). Teams play very tough D, hand checking and hard fouls are common. If the players in Europe are so bad, how come the US team has been trashed so many times the last 8 years? Remember Duncan in Athens, he could not even touch the ball with that 2-3 zone that teams were playing. You are talking about a game and leagues you have never played or watched.

Jul.23 at 1:37 pm

Co Co says:
All of this European team hate is absurd. The Americans have been getting their asses handed to them by these teams with such inferior talent. We’re still sitting on Bronze over here people.

Jul.23 at 1:41 pm

Cheryl says:
Exactly, Co Co. I’m not even hearing that foolishness. We have entered a new era and I’m not mad about it. What’s their season, anyway? Do they play as many games? Josh can opt out after each season, could he play there and then sign to a squad here before March 1st (to get on a playoff squad)? There are so many questions…

Jul.23 at 1:42 pm

Jukai says:
True Co Co, but then again, the teams that are going to give the US the most trouble are the teams with mostly NBA talents in them.

Jul.23 at 1:45 pm

Eboy says:
Co Co, you are acting like the NBA guys playing Olympic ball have lost Olympic tournament after Olympic tournament after Olympic tournament. They’ve lost exactly one in the last 16 years, no? If they don’t come home with gold after this years as well, then maybe your silly comment holds some water.

Jul.23 at 1:45 pm

Redrum says:
Greece beat the US with not a single NBA player…

Jul.23 at 1:45 pm

Jukai says:
Though seriously, the competition in Europe is not even close to the USA. The US lost the Olympics and FIBA Internationals because a) they are playing against teams that are USED to playing with each other, and who don’t stuff their teams full of stars who always need the ball (like our team once again just did), and b) the rule changes are vastly different. An illegal-in-the-nba zone defense, a very small lane (meaning centers can just sit around and not move), a smaller three point line meaning it’s easier to score threes, which is done less in the NBA, a more physical game, very few goal tending rules… it’s a VERY different game, that the Europeans are very used to. It’s even a different ball. If the Euro-teams played NBA rules, they’d be thrashed. Could you imagine a Euro team trying to play an NBA-Zone? It’d be three-second violations every three seconds.

Jul.23 at 1:46 pm

Co Co says:
Josh is an NBA talent.

Jul.23 at 1:47 pm

Jukai says:
Redrum, it’s generally accepted that the USA losing to Greece was one of the biggest unlucky events in American basketball history. A guy who shot like 29% of his threes hit like seven of them, guys who are normally flat footed were running around screens like ballerinas, and the USA got flustered with some bad calls and couldn’t put together a run in time. It wasn’t like the 2004 olympics when we ACTUALLY lost legitly to a better team.

Jul.23 at 1:47 pm

Redrum says:
Eboy, they almost lost to lithuania in 2000, lost in the 2002 World Championships, lost in the 2004 Olympics, lost in the 2006 World Championship… all in all, not a very good decade for US basketball so far…

Jul.23 at 1:48 pm

Co Co says:
The fact is they’ve lost more recently than they won. So in my mind they have to prove that they are still superior

Jul.23 at 1:49 pm

Jukai says:
I still remember how the USA almost made a comeback with six straight points but Lebron, but Wade totally blew a dunk that woulda cut the lead to three. Wade had a very injured wrist but still played around 35 minutes that game. So enough of “GREECE WAS WAY BETTER THAN THE USA!” That was a freakish fluke.

Jul.23 at 1:51 pm

Co Co says:
Almost doesn’t count. I’m not saying the U.S. doesn’t have more talent pound for pound howeva, just like last time if they run into a team who decides not to get into a track meet with them they can still be beat. We need to see if they fixed everything that ailed them in 2004. They have to prove it.

Jul.23 at 1:53 pm

Redrum says:
Jukai, you have no clue what you are talking about… you are talking about players you have only watched play once in your life. I have been watching the greek coach since I was a kid, and all of the european players until now. I have actually coached Schortsianitis during my playing days. You can make any excuse you want about your team, the fact of the matter is that the US in 2006 lost legibly to a better TEAM. They almost lost to Greece in 2004 for as well if you forget, was that a fluke as well?

Jul.23 at 1:55 pm

Is It The Shoes!!!!!!!!! says:
Co Co must not be american…. Because if you think any other team right now has a better team than the U.S. u must be smoking the same sh!t that brad miller was smoking….

Jul.23 at 1:56 pm

Jukai says:
… did you read what I said, Redrum? The 2004 team consisted of a totally outplayed Duncan, an uncaring Iverson, and an inept Starbury. No other player was really given any legit playing time. That team deserved to lose every game. 2004 got destroyed legitly. Greece got LUCKY. If I remember correctly, Greece lost to the FIBA champions Spain by a landslide. Does this mean Spain is superior to the USA? No, MOST international sports experts have pretty much stated that Greece just had a very lucky streak. Greece barely makes the top five best teams in the Olympics right now.

Jul.23 at 1:57 pm

Jukai says:
No, Co Co’s probably more right then I am. She’s admitted that she still believes the USA is a good talent level above the rest of the planet, Is It the Shoes, but until the USA can actually WIN an international championship, we really shouldn’t be saying that.

Jul.23 at 2:00 pm

Jukai says:
I think the ONLY TEAMS that should give the USA trouble are Argentina and Spain. Greece isn’t even on the radar, Redrum.

Jul.23 at 2:02 pm

Is It The Shoes!!!!!!!!! says:
Jukai i feel u. But when we lost in 2004 we had great individual player, now we have great individual player who are willing to play team basketball. with a point gaurd who know how to run a team

Jul.23 at 2:03 pm

Co Co says:
We thought the same thing in 2004 Is it the shoes…….

Jul.23 at 2:04 pm

Redrum says:
You really don’t know what you are talking about… Greece had won the European Championship the year before in 2005, and thrashed Germany by 30points (with Dirk playing…). That was after beating France in the semifinal (with parker, a healthy and skinny Diaw and 2 more NBAers) Greece came to the World Championships as the best team in Europe. The lose to Spain with that ease was a fluke, not the loss of the US to Greece. I am not saying that we would have beaten them, but the way Greece played in that game was not consistent with the way they played all along the tournament, whereas the the way the US played against Greece was consistent with the way they played. They just played a better team.

Jul.23 at 2:06 pm

TADOne says:
Jukai actually brings up some good points in his 1:45 comment. With all of the different rules, different size lanes, and 3 point shot closer that I wonder how it will affect Josh’s game if/when he comes back stateside to play ball? Probably not at all because ball is ball, but it could.

Jul.23 at 2:08 pm

Redrum says:
Jukai, in case you don’t know it Greece and the US meets in the preliminary round. According to your reasoning, the game will be a thrashing of the US of Greece, yes? I am not saying that Greece will definitely win, but my prediction is that it is going to be a very close game. Are you saying that the US will crash them?

Jul.23 at 2:14 pm

AT says:
All this over Josh Childress? Good riddens.

Jul.23 at 2:15 pm

Redrum says:
TADO, the US had a winning streak from 1992 to 2002, with the exact same rules. The rules have not changed, if anything they are becoming more NBA compatible. So what is going on and they have been loosing the last 6 years? I will tell you what. Players are lacking fundamentals and mental toughness. These are being very much developed in Europe. In Europe you learn to play tough D first and most, you learn to play in a system, shoot pass and dribble. Most of all, there is very little ego in teams. What is important is to win, it does not matter who scores. Scoring comes from pressing the ball at all times, protecting the basket, moving the ball and shooting. It is a completely different system, that after 10 years managed to catch up with the NBA. A big development in europe was that players became more athletic, and this was due to the fact that teams learned from the NBA what it does very well. Develop athletic ability, but not necessarily basketball skill

Jul.23 at 2:18 pm

halkias says:
I totaly agree with Redrum…Are u from Greece?

Jul.23 at 2:19 pm

Eboy says:
“and this was due to the fact that teams learned from the NBA what it does very well. Develop athletic ability, but not necessarily basketball skill” You’re not serious are you?

Jul.23 at 2:20 pm

what says:
Yeah… this sucks.

Jul.23 at 2:23 pm

Jukai says:
Okay Redrum, I give it a 12+ point win to the USA. Now, I’m not sure what you’re getting at with your last statement. Of course the rules haven’t changed but Euro teams have gotten better. They’re not up to par with the US right now, but the rules are not effecting the NBA heavily. You also can’t compare the 1992 and 1996 teams to the 2004 team. I mean, there was never a more complete team than the 1992 team, ever. EVER. You had career stars, career big men, career role players, career three point shooters, career pure point guards… I mean, that WAS a team. Our only center was scrawny 6′11 Tim Duncan, Richard Jefferson got more playing time than Wade and Lebron combined, our two point guards were SHOOTING first pass never players Iverson and Marbury… it was an AWESOME team. They got romped. Pure and simple. What’s hard to understand?

Jul.23 at 2:24 pm

Jukai says:
Eboy, he’s European. He’s gotta be. Some of the stuff he’s saying is absolutely insane.

Jul.23 at 2:25 pm

Redrum says:
I will admit though one thing. The US after the 1994 team, never presented a team with the complete best talent. the 1992 team had an average age of 30years and two dozen championship rings and final appearances among them. whereas the 2004 team had an average of 23. Things would be differently if Duncan, Garnett, Pierce were the current team. This is because they have basketball maturity, they know how to play. Just to note: the 1992 team had a very tough time in the first half against Croatia… I am off this discussion, it is evident that Jukai is a patriot foremost and then a basketball fan. Nothing wrong with it, but it seem to me that finding excuses for the last 8 years of international failure to the basketballs, the lines, flukes etc etc takes away from the main problem: lack Basketball skill and team play understanding.

Jul.23 at 2:26 pm

Eboy says:
Let’s break it down like this…..since you people are obviously ignorant to a fault (including the Americans posting at the moment)the United States have the best postional players from 1 to 5 in the ENTIRE WORLD, in mental strength, fundamentally, athletically and yes, believe it or not, BASKETBALL SKILL. Yes the rest of the world has made tremendous advances at being on a more level playing field, and sure a team of poorly constructed players and coaches didn’t get it done over the course of a couple of years but to say the US is only developing athletic ability as it’s main selling point kind of makes me feel bad to think you guys pollute the globe (in all corners apparently) with this silliness.

Jul.23 at 2:26 pm

Jukai says:
Spain is such a sick, pure European team though. Both Gasols, Fernandez, Navarro, Calderon, Lopez, Rubio, Garbajosa, Reyes… they’re a little short, but god DAMN is that a lot of talent. Really, Greece just doesn’t scare me, but maybe that’s a bad thing.

Jul.23 at 2:30 pm

Ryan Jones says:
Hi.

Jul.23 at 2:31 pm

Jukai says:
Man, Redrum is really ignorant. Europeans are fundimentally great in D, but their offense is VICIOUSLY overrated. Most European teams rely on very, VERY slopping layups and most dunks are on put backs. Their shot form isn’t often the greatest thing, either. They also rely on far greater dirty tricks, flopping constantly and trying to get away with fouls, which leads to a less crisp, usually awkward dribble which doesn’t translate well in the NBA. They’re all great defensive players, no doubt, but claiming they’re more fundimental is a little silly.

Jul.23 at 2:31 pm

Jukai says:
Oh sh!t, it’s Ryan Jones, scatter!

Jul.23 at 2:35 pm

Eboy says:
I wish Ryan would jump in on this, but this isn’t about Brandon Jennings, so no such luck I guess.

Jul.23 at 2:35 pm

Ryan Jones says:
Yes. Like roaches.
As threatened, I have weighed in.

Jul.23 at 2:36 pm

Redrum says:
yeap jukai and Eboy, I am talking insane… you have come up with any possible excuse to justify why you are being trashed the last 6 years, but never actually saw the real problem. That basketball is more than wing span, vertical jump, and dunking. And the teams that beat the US since 2002 have proven that. The fact that the Spurs have won half of the championships the last 9 years proves that. The fact the Detroit is an elite team proves that. The way that Boston flat out outplayed LA, proves that. This year’s US team tried to address it by bringing Kidd, Kobe, Bosh, Boozer, who are actually skilled basketball players, rather than outstanding athletes. Good for them, I do think this year’s team is the better one of the last 6 years and should win it. One thing that is also evident that most of the people who reply here have never played basketball further that NBA Jam and their backyard….

Jul.23 at 2:36 pm

Ryan Jones says:
With Jennings reference aplenty.

Jul.23 at 2:40 pm

Eboy says:
Allright, redrum, I’ll give you leahway that you seem completley happy that the 21st century brand of USA ball was exposed for what it was, a brash, in your face, look pretty no matter what the score was type of attitude. But if you try to be realistic and agreeable to make yourself seem sensible in this argument, you would easily admit, with reservation, that no other nation in the world can field 12 guys with the United States talent level and if the field and that years Olympic Games all finish behind them, your theories would all, apparently, be null and void. Few more weeks left to test that theory.

Jul.23 at 2:41 pm

Eboy says:
*of this years

Jul.23 at 2:42 pm

TADOne says:
Redrum: I wasn’t getting into your spat about olympic teams and the whole of that (besides, ya’ll have said plenty). I was just wondering out loud how playing in Greece for 1-3 years would affect Josh’s game coming back stateside because of the obvious differences in the game?

Jul.23 at 2:44 pm

Co Co says:
Talent level doesn’t always matter EBOY. Sometimes its about game planning and execution. Believe it or not you can exploit someone’s weaknesses…..

Jul.23 at 2:44 pm

Eboy says:
TAD’s a nerd.

Jul.23 at 2:45 pm

Redrum says:
Jukai, at last a sensible post… Dribbling is suspect in europe because the game is based on passing and off ball movement rather than dribbling. In europe You will never see 4 players clearing away to let one player dribble himself out of breath until he makes a shot or takes a drive. Isolation play is the most common in the NBA, and yes.. it needs a lot of dribbling… What European players understand better and are taught constantly is playing within a system, where ball and off ball movement is constant. A system like that aims to reduce turnovers, since most of the times when an offense is initiated everyone knows exactly where themselves the other players should be. It also aims to create open shots. But this is done through a set system play and whole team movement. As I said at least 10 times so far, it is a very different game, for which other skills than vertical and wing span are needed.

Jul.23 at 2:45 pm

Eboy says:
No sh*t Co Co. You write exceptionally well, but obviously, you also, can not comprehend the written word.

Jul.23 at 2:48 pm

Eboy says:
And those skills are what, redrum, perfecting the bounce pass? Learning how to use screens? You make it seem like their is some magic skill set that they have that has suddenly made them so incredible. You do realize, on the flip side, that very very few international players make themselves a huge name in the NBA? Obviously those magic moves don’t translate here either if you stick with that argument.

Jul.23 at 2:48 pm

silverselectjd says:
Basketball will soon turn into the monster that is now Soccer. On a good note soccer has such a wide array of great leagues that you can pick what league to watch. on a bad note, overpaid, arrogant, lazy “athletes” go in search of the highest bidder. see Cristiano Ronaldo as the best example.

Jul.23 at 2:49 pm

Eboy says:
*there

Jul.23 at 2:52 pm

Redrum says:
TADO, very good question, sorry I missed that. Well, one way Josh’s games is that is going to be affected is that he will learn how to move off the ball. This is a very important and underrated part of basketball. His ability to read the court, move without the ball, get himself to the best position for himself and the team will increase tenfold. He will also need to learn to pass better, use his vision to find the open man. The whole idea is that a system is executed to open up a player, and timing is crucial to hit him with the ball. Other than that, he will have to deal with very hard defenses and tough defenders, very closed zones, constant double-triple teams (since he is now the teams main offensive threat). If he can incorporate these in his game, he can become a very good player when back to the NBA

Jul.23 at 2:53 pm

Co Co says:
“that no other nation in the world can field 12 guys with the United States talent level”
My last comment was in reference to that. I read just fine.

Jul.23 at 2:55 pm

rob.b says:
“The usa addressed this bringing kobe, bosh, boozer, people who are actually skilled.”
as if the coaches had to sacrifice any athletic ability when picking Kobe Bryant and Chris Bosh, get out of here.

Jul.23 at 2:56 pm

Eboy says:
Forget it, Co Co. We are actually having a basketball conversation without interuption. We should all be thrilled without excess arguing.

Jul.23 at 3:00 pm

silverselectjd says:
Why is it so bad that the NBA “could” end up being 1 of a number of great leagues around the world?

Jul.23 at 3:00 pm

silverselectjd says:
and not just the only superpower in the world?

Jul.23 at 3:03 pm

Redrum says:
Eboy, I never said that the skills of the european game translate well in the NBA. They don’t. Let me give you an example. Until 10 years ago, almost no player in europe would weight train. This was because it was thought that it will affect their shot and quickness. There was no plyometric, speed,agility, training and still many teams and players choose not to do them. Teams in Europe have two practice sessions per day (usually there are only 2 games per week). Lots of the time in those 2-3 hour practice sessions is devoted to tactics, learning the system and execution. The last 5-6 years, increasingly more teams spend time developing the players athletically, but still defense, tactics and execution is 60-70 per cent of their work outs.

Jul.23 at 3:03 pm

Eboy says:
I don’t think anyone said it’s bad, silver.

Jul.23 at 3:06 pm

silverselectjd says:
Cool,that’s just the vibe i was getting.

Jul.23 at 3:08 pm

silverselectjd says:
On another note, Luol Deng has transformed the face of Team GB basketball. Until Deng joined, Team GB was going no where fast. US based players going up against euro players will not have much improving to do!

Jul.23 at 3:08 pm

Redrum says:
rob.r, I never said that they had to “sacrifice” athletic ability as such… They just bring players that combine ability and high basketball IQ You do understand the difference between Duncan and Howard, no? If not, then you get out of here…

Jul.23 at 3:09 pm

silverselectjd says:
i just dont think Chill is at dengs level.

Jul.23 at 3:13 pm

Redrum says:
erm.. Silver.. I have been living in England the last 10 years.. Basketball here is probably the least developed sport… even netball (some obsurd sort of women’s basketball) is more popular. GB does not have a professional league, their teams do not take part in any european competition, neither in club nor in national level.

Jul.23 at 3:16 pm

silverselectjd says:
The British BAsketball League isnt a professional league Red?

Jul.23 at 3:17 pm

silverselectjd says:
“GB does not have a professional league, their teams do not take part in any european competition, neither in club nor in national level.” if there is no pro league, what teams do not take part in any european competition?

Jul.23 at 3:20 pm

Redrum says:
I am not sure, but I am under the impression that it is under a semi-pro status, which is why they do not have representatives in FIBA european leagues (I might be wrong here too, they certainly do not have representative in the euroleague though). They used to have the London Towers 15 years ago, but I think the league has changed a lot since then. Have you actually watched any of the games of the BBL though? My high school team was playing better basketball than this…

Jul.23 at 3:22 pm

Redrum says:
Silver, I did not say there is no league whatsoever… I said that its status is either amateur or semi-pro.

Jul.23 at 3:23 pm

silverselectjd says:
So does mine. But since the BBL uses the franchise system they are classed as a professional league. i have watched a couple of BBL games and it still annoys me that they have to explain the 3pt shot rule to the viewers.

Jul.23 at 3:26 pm

Jukai says:
Redrum, you’re overrating European passing. The GREAT teams in Europe can probably do what you’re talking about, but the majority of European teams are just as turnover prone as American teams because they throw three times as many passes that get picked off because of the zone.

Jul.23 at 3:27 pm

JE says:
Anyone think NBA teams will ever be cleared to start making trades with European teams? It’s an intriguing concept, assuming the talent pool over there continues to grow..

Jul.23 at 3:29 pm

Schortsianits-7 says:
Redrum ,you know lots of basketball man….I agree that U.S. will propably win this year because of selecting more carefully players better at foundamentals (Eddie Johnson seeems to be the only American to observe that Lebron cannot shoot…). Anyway, U.S. will propably win this time ,and you and i are both gonna look eroneous (i know you don’t really mind…) It will be funny though to see Bosh and Boozer trying to guard Big SOFO…some people would have been for a serious wake up call if not for KOBE and REDD this summer…..(p.s.: i love NBA, and i love running and dunking)

Jul.23 at 3:30 pm

Jukai says:
Talking with people like Redrum aggrivate me. Going to Europe suddenly means you will learn all the ins-and-outs of fundimental passing, rough and tough D, and moving without the ball, yet you wont lose any of your ball handling or offense or rebound skills or anything that the USA is still leaps and bounds ahead of Europe in. It’s SUCH a win-win while playing in Europe. If Lebron trained in Europe for a year, he’d be the next Magic Johnson.

Jul.23 at 3:32 pm

Jukai says:
In my opinion, Childress wont really be hurt by the change in the Euro rules, but he wont gain much from playing in Europe either. Sorry, bro.

Jul.23 at 3:33 pm

Redrum says:
I agree. There are 30-40 teams in europe that has the level of play I described. I would say 25 of the Euroleague teams and 10-15 of the rest teams that take part in FIBA european leagues (Fiba Cup and Uleb cup)You need to consider that national leagues are as important as Fiba european leagues. In most countries like spain, Italy, Greece and Turkey, winning the national championship is as important as winning the euroleague

Jul.23 at 3:38 pm

Redrum says:
Jukai… for God’s sake buddy… stop twisting what I am saying.. I just pin pointed the aspects of the game that are different in europe than the NBA (for the nth time…). It does not mean that Josh will become proficient to all of them…

Jul.23 at 3:39 pm

Schortsianits-7 says:
“If Lebron trained in Europe for a year, he’d be the next Magic Johnson.” if he didn’t have to sell shoes in the process (meaning: concentration on dunking the ball) well this would not have been far from truth….

Jul.23 at 3:50 pm

Jukai says:
Then, instead of just making Europe sound like a haven of basketball knowledge, in your posts also conceit that Childress will actually regress in some areas by going to Europe… cause I’m not twisting yer words, this is actually how you sound.

Jul.23 at 3:51 pm

Jukai says:
By the way, throughout my conversation here, I will not respond to Schortsianits-7. Ever.

Jul.23 at 3:55 pm

Schortsianits-7 says:
you just responded…

Jul.23 at 4:01 pm

Redrum says:
well… he will be playing basketball you know… not water polo. Dribbling is still allowed in europe…. A player does not just loose a skill… Admittedly one thing that will be different is the pace and rhythm of the game, as in europe is slower and care is taken in execution rather than fast pace (especially since his coach is Yiannakis, who owns his success on teaching this) But I think that would be that should not be a problem, although he might need to adjust for a while. It is definitely much faster than NCAA though. Seriously Jukai, at what level have you played basketball? I am not trying to be funny here, or patronising. I genuinely enjoy our discourse.

Jul.23 at 4:03 pm

Redrum says:
I mean he will have to adjust to the faster pace when he comes back to the NBA

Jul.23 at 4:09 pm

Z says:
Josh’s contract would be 21 mil per in the states. 7 mil euro = 10.5 mil USD tax free. to make 10.5 mil in your pocket in the nba, you have to make 21 mil per. any euro contract has to be tripled to be compared to an nba salary. once the players figure this out… watch out.

Jul.23 at 4:20 pm

Z says:
And to think that we thought Marbury was crazy for wanting to play in Italy a year ago, lol.

Jul.23 at 5:01 pm

Jukai says:
Players DO lose skills, Redrum. You think Childress, when he comes back into the NBA, wont constantly lose his man in one-on-ones or have to dribble more to get open because the jump-shot opportunities wont be there for him when he’s manned up… there is adjustments that have to be made, on both sides, and while Childress will pick up quite a lot, a good chunk of it (how much I can’t comment) simply wont translate to the NBA game. While you don’t deny this outright, you still give me gruff about using the fact that the American team plays by FIBA rules and not NBA rules whenever they go over to Europe. I was sorta hoping you were trying to be funny, or were a spokesman for Greece, since you’ve made a lot of ludicrous claims.

Jul.23 at 5:03 pm

Jukai says:
Also, I played guard for a Division II High School team. While I have no doubt I could have made the basketball team on my tech school (which was probably on par with my High School team), my grades are bad enough and I woulda flunked out. How about you, how many professional leagues do you play in? Seven or eight? Some with FIBA rules, some with NBA rules, and some with street rules so you know all the subtle differences between them all? You don’t have to answer, I don’t really care cause that’s totally irrelevant to the knowledge of a sport. Most great coaches were subpar players.

Jul.23 at 5:20 pm

TripleDouble says:
I cannot be bothered reading all this… but Eboy needs to chill. Have a w*nk or something… Josh has made a great move. Europe is a beautiful place, has great culture and on top of earning some great money, Josh will benefit in ways he doesn’t even know yet… Americans arn’t the greatest travellers in the world but I won’t go down that path… Eboy, your whole “contract” rant is ridiculous. A lot of people have answered your comments and you’ve written a ton of them so rest easy, you have been given attention. How many times do you need to see your name a day to feel loved. And yo uthink the US is in the whole cause of contract being broke - which is not the case here at ALL… Are you a republican? Sheesh… calm down. Good for Josh.

Jul.23 at 5:21 pm

Redrum says:
I did not get the comment about giving you gruff for the Fiba rules.. all I am saying it is that it cannot be an excuse why USA is loosing, since the US was unbeaten for 10 years since from 1992 to 2002 playing Fiba rules.

Jul.23 at 5:22 pm

Redrum says:
I have played high school and tried out for the under-18 national team. Then I broke my left ankle, then my right and after that I tore my ACL (14 years ago ACL was like microfracture surgery…) Been playing occasionally but I have been coaching quite a lot the last 7 years, been to camps with NBA players and european players, had the chance to talk to top coaches.

Jul.23 at 5:26 pm

Schortsianits-7 says:
The fact that the american team plays by FIBA rules is definetelly a problem. When panathinaikos played the SPURS last year (twice) the players complained that they felt lost because of the different rules (panathinaikos is constantly among the 3 best european teams for the past 15 years). At the same time U.S. had no real problem with this same set of rules against the rest of the world up until 2000. Anyway ,rules are definetelly an obstacle for U.S. teams

Jul.23 at 6:00 pm

Tommy Patron says:
@ Jukai- To not think that ANY All-Star caliber NBA’ers will leave for Europe in the next decade isn’t very realistic. How many overseas guys were starters in the NBA 10 years ago? A few, maybe. Big Z, Kukoc, Sabas, Detlef Schrempf, Smits. How about in 2008?

Jul.23 at 6:43 pm

CARTEL says:
damn…can u blame him…dats a pretty damn good deal…da words TAX FREE makes it sound really good…lol…and maybe greece is tryin 2 bring sum of dat nba energy…its definately made a buzz here in da states…i guess MARBURY doesnt sound so crazy anymore…lol

Jul.23 at 7:15 pm

Redrum says:
very good article below, could not say better myself: http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-33-84/Say-Goodbye-to-Josh-Childress–Say-Hello-to-Some-NBA-Soul-Searching.html

Jul.23 at 7:55 pm

Jackie Moon says:
“Someday, Euroleague champion will have to play NBA champion to see who is world champion” [spoken in Sasha Vujacic voice]

Jul.23 at 9:42 pm

Guamboy says:
this is horrible news…hawks are finally climbing up from the lower ranks..he had so many crucial offensive rebounds against celts…this is a big hit to atl and a difficult hole to fill

Jul.23 at 9:57 pm

Eboy says:
TripleDouble, perhaps you need to read a ton closer ’cause you must have me mixed up with someone else. Or perhaps my 10:26a comment wasn’t written in moron.

Jul.24 at 2:21 am

GeorgeB says:
Greece: 2 - USA: 0
1st “goal”: 2 years ago when Greece defeated the US National team in Japan
2nd “goal”: stealing a young NBA star!

Jul.24 at 3:26 am

Schortsianitis says:
Lebron just made a guarantee for an Olympic gold.Good news for the rest of the world…

Jul.24 at 6:29 am

Slobodan Chutzpah says:
Once again, I find it curious that people who have never seen an entire game of European basketball (of which there are actually many variants) are so eager to provide their expert opinion on it - probably based on hearsay, Youtube clips and something they read somewhere. But, seeing the hefty amounts of Jim Jones Juice being drinken particularly on the pro-US side of this debate, I don’t even want to get into all this.

Jul.24 at 7:23 am

Hursty says:
A skill can be learnt but an ability is inherent. Euro ball focuses more on fundamental aspects of the game than the US. Look at the Allstar ‘camp’ games eg. abcd, nike, theyre used to pit players against each other and doesnt ( really ) focus on skill development. US is better than greece as far as individual skills go and their work together on mini camps will bring that extra cohesion that Euro nations play with, theyve been playing in the same system for 15-25 years and it only takes 1 of 4-5 quality, deep teams in Europe or South America to knock a team off if they have an awesome game and shoot the lights out and everything goes to sh*t for the US and then the best they can finish is 3rd. Go Australia.

Jul.24 at 11:44 am

Mike says:
hey guys, i had an opinion on childress bouncin’ to Europe. i reference the links in it and would definitely appreciate if you guys read it and commented on what you thought: http://consumericans.blogspot.com/2008/07/josh-childresss-fro-moves-to-greece-for.html . Been reading Links since it was one longggg scroll down page before SLAMonline stepped its game up and Lang got big time. Appreciate it everyone.

Jul.24 at 11:59 am

RedRum says:
A real life example: Slam and experts have been drooling over Ricky Rubio for a good 2-3 years now. Is that because Rubio is a great athlete? You think anyone in europe cares how much his wingspan or vertical is? nope, what people admire in Rubio is how effortlessly he runs the team system, pressures the ball, passes and shoots.

Jul.24 at 1:38 pm

fbetsos says:
u guys should not forget that greek teams have a “historic” connection to atlanta hawks
any of you remembers who else was transfered from the hawks to the greek league and euroleague in general?
that guy brought to his club the European Championship cup and the Greek league cup and averaged a 20 points and 7 rebs.
so if history repeats itself its good money for olympiakos this time…

Jul.24 at 7:43 pm

AB_40 says:
Somewhere david stern is crying himself to sleep. Cuzz he knows what this means. In 10 years euroleauge teams will have the financial resources to buy away(if they’d want to go there)superstars.

Jul.25 at 9:56 am

Squirrel7 says:
Just read through that entire ‘argument’, and I feel considerably dumber now that I’ve done so. Redrum makes many good points, but considering he mentions the ULEB cup, he should at least know that an English team, Guildford Heat, were in it, as I went to watch them play Ricky Rubio’s team earlier this season! As for Jukai, words cannot express how stupid his argument is.

Jul.25 at 9:59 am

Squirrel7 says:
Still, this website just seems to be ‘regulars’ agreeing with each other, whatever the argument. I particularly like that, according to Jukai (1:47pm), the Greek’s victory didn’t apparently count as some players played better than normal, and the refs didn’t decide to extend the length of the game in order to allow the US to complete their comeback. And then the rest of the regular posters actually agree with him?!!!!!!!!!!

Jul.25 at 11:37 am

L says:
the Euroleague is gonna be exciting this season..i remember the year Dominique Wilkins came to play in Europe..it was just amazing he might have been the best american player to ever play in europe with maybe sugar ray robinson at second..L

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