Sep.28 at 11:19 am

Jason says:
awwwww kumbaya.

Sep.28 at 11:20 am

andre anglais says:
Kudos to Timmy. “There is no wealth like knowledge; no poverty like ignorance” Ali ibn Abi-Talib

Sep.28 at 11:22 am

riggs says:
not that theres anything wrong with that.

Sep.28 at 11:22 am

Keith says:
Dyou think they patted him on the backside when he left?

Sep.28 at 11:24 am

white hot eboy says:
I knew today was gonna be all about love.

Sep.28 at 11:29 am

Sam Rubenstein says:
Tim’s best move since the Utep 2step.

Sep.28 at 11:37 am

Keith says:
Would it be renamed the Utep 2fingers?

Sep.28 at 11:39 am

Reggie Evans says:
See, the news isn’t always depressing.

Sep.28 at 11:40 am

Ryan Jones says:
Assuming he’s sincere — and reading the article, he seems to be — this is a pretty cool story. However, I guess I’m also obligated to ask: Isn’t it strange that John Amaechi wasn’t even mentioned in that story? He’s the whole reason this came out in the first place.

Sep.28 at 11:43 am

Keith says:
It’s a PR thing Ryan, you know that. Timmy won’t get any work if he isn’t seen to be correcting his h*mophobic outlook on life. If he gets anything out of it, all the better but I suspect he couldn’t care less.

Sep.28 at 11:45 am

Keith says:
And by ‘getting anything out of it’ I didn’t mean in respect of work.

Sep.28 at 11:46 am

Keith says:
And by ‘getting anything out of it’, I also didn’t mean in respect of a boyfriend.

Sep.28 at 11:56 am

confused says:
why should he be commended?

Sep.28 at 12:09 pm

kt says:
homosexuality iz still an abominatoin to God so theirs no sense in takin a class about it i mean if thats wat u do thats cool but it`s not an alternative way of life its a satinic way of life.read corinthians/romans to get a better understanding

Sep.28 at 12:13 pm

mutoni says:
@ kt: *calls charles oakley*

Sep.28 at 12:15 pm

MantangaZulu says:
don’t worry, kt just ruined the love and unity feeling going on. Nice to see ignorance is still alive and well……

Sep.28 at 12:17 pm

Ryan Jones says:
Thanks for that, kt. Can I safely assume you don’t eat shellfish, either?

Sep.28 at 12:17 pm

Zee says:
“Just when you think ya jam is hot, up steps the n**as who be blowin up ya spot.” - Gang Starr

Sep.28 at 12:18 pm

Hisham says:
kt should visit amsterdam sometime haha

Sep.28 at 12:18 pm

Tariq says:
I never thought I’d find a quote from Ali bin Abi Talib on slamonline. Good stuff.

Sep.28 at 12:19 pm

Hisham says:
tied up to a gay pride parade wagon

Sep.28 at 12:23 pm

Russ Bengtson says:
In related news, Tim Hardaway is now dating Bimbo Coles.

Sep.28 at 12:23 pm

Sparker says:
oh, kt, you so sexy when ya get all biblical ‘n sh*t

Sep.28 at 12:26 pm

jbn74sb says:
Nice play on words Ryan. Well done.

Sep.28 at 12:27 pm

Ryan Jones says:
I didn’t even mean it that way, Bodie, but thanks.

Sep.28 at 12:42 pm

James says:
Homosexuality is not an abomination in the Bible, its a sin. That being said, there are about 50 times as many prohibitions against heterosexual sex in the 66 books of the bible, all who were written by different authors, so there are more than a few conflicts within the texts. In the Qu’ran, it is considered an abomination. The most important thing to remember as a Christian, since that is what you are purporting to be, is that Jesus died for all sins, so that all might live on in his name. Anyone who is gay and follows Christ is just one more sinner in the Lord’s eyes who will be redeemed. The sin is to be corrected if possible, but the sinner is to be loved according to the teachings of Christ, which are the most important teachings in the Bible, as they are the foundation for the division between the two Jewish sects. Jews would be expected to adhere more forcefully to prohibitions against sin, as their religious don’t include the New Testament, since they don’t believe it to be holy. Nor do the accept Christ as the Messiah (they are still waiting for the Messiah in their theology). Muslim’s view Jesus as one in a series of prophets, rather than as the son of God, and they don’t believe that Jesus spoke to God (only Moses and Mohammed did). Now since we live in the modern world, and should at the very least also take into account what we know about human beings in the post enlightenment age, even if we consider ourselves to be religious (full disclosure, I am a Theravada Buddhist, so I don’t have any deity. I would also confess to ignorance on what Buddhism says about homosexuality, though I do know that there are prohibitions against excessive or perverse sexual acts, which may cover it). The best scientific data we have on human sexuality suggests that between one to four percent on the global population are homosexuals. Studies that suggested ten percent were flawed as the population sampled, notably in the groundbreaking Kinsey Study in the 1950’s, was disproportionately ex-cons, who are more likely to engage in acts of convenient homosexuality to satisfy unmet needs. It should also be noted that there are reports of homosexual behaviour throughout human history, including the prohibition of it in the Old Testament, as well as the history of Athens and Sparta, where it was encouraged (and likely more prevalent as a result). Further research has suggested that there are certain genetic abnormalities consistent in people who are truly homosexual (as opposed to bi or bi-curious), that suggest that there is a hormonal abnormality during pregnancy that alters these peoples sexuality. What this means for those who believe that homosexuals are sinners is that go is somehow creating homosexuals in order for you to convince them to ignore their natural biological urges, or perhaps the devil is (unless you’re Jewish, as there is no Satan in Jewish theology). Alternatively, those that wrote Corinthians and Romans were homophobic, and put in their own two-cents about the matter as it was written. In the end what this means is that you are using religious text and ignorance in order to justify your own prejudices. The teachings of Christ call for compassion, and the teachings of modern science suggest that there is a natural cause for homosexuality, as opposed to a perverse choice made by those that are, so why don’t you go to Timmy’s support group and learn to be a human being.

Sep.28 at 12:44 pm

Captain America says:
Is he “recovered?” We won’t know tell the PC police tell us that Tim’s wearing pink laced underpants.

Sep.28 at 12:44 pm

Keith says:
James loves boys.

Sep.28 at 12:44 pm

Keith says:
Sorry people, that was a little immature, even for me.

Sep.28 at 12:46 pm

James says:
And curse the html code that turned my pararaphed diatribe into a block of barely readable text.

Sep.28 at 12:52 pm

James says:
Not really. I have one friend who I know since grade 4 who became gay, and that really forces you to appreciate and learn about the situation. My personal preference is Ethiopian to be honest.

Sep.28 at 12:53 pm

James says:
wow, poor grammar on my part

Sep.28 at 12:54 pm

white hot eboy says:
James, here’s a question. If there’s no devil in the Jewish theology, what is killing off the Met’s chances at the playoffs? (Sorry Sam)

Sep.28 at 12:59 pm

FLUD says:
Man o man… (impossible not to write anything entendre’d) The season better hurry up. It’s gettin’ weird around here. Like everyone’s talkin’ yo themselves or somethin’.

Sep.28 at 1:02 pm

James says:
I don’t know, Carlos Delgado? (j/k I live in Toronto, and have always been a fan) From what I remember about about Judaism, evil is an entity that just exists, and is difficult to reconcile or to explain. A good deal of discussion in Judaism over the centuries has been the cause of evil. Quite reasonably, the suggestion is that we are all capable of it, so the source of good and of evil ultimatly lies in humans. I think that is one of the more sublime explanations of anything in any relgion. The reason that Satan and Hell entered into the picture has to do with the adaptation of Christianity to the already strong traditions of Greece, as Hell and Satan are likely the underworld of Hades. Islam would have adapted these ideas when it was founded 6 centuries after the birth of Christ

Sep.28 at 1:04 pm

white hot eboy says:
I like James. I think he’s Chukaz, reincarnated.

Sep.28 at 1:08 pm

James says:
Chukaz? I don’t post often on here, i usually just read. the last time I posted on here signficantly was when the Imus thing broke, and I spent a lot of time refuting the foreign policy rantings of some guy named mark on a thread. I if you go back to it (It was one of Etan Thomas’s articles), mine are they 2000 word entries on the page. I also posted something last week on one of the bball threads but i didn’t follow it up very much. Its hard to tell as I just use my first name, and I think there are at least 3 others named James that do the same.

Sep.28 at 1:11 pm

white hot eboy says:
James, you probably need a catchy screen name that all of us can remember. And if you have some type of website you liked to promote put that in your comment box so your name is in orange, and you’ll be one step closer to SLAMonline divinity.

Sep.28 at 1:16 pm

Ryan Jones says:
eboy comparing James to Chukaz is like a person comparing one thing to another thing with which it has nothing in common. If you can follow that metaphor.

Sep.28 at 1:16 pm

Ryan Jones says:
Also, I believe James just edutained us.

Sep.28 at 1:17 pm

James says:
I just read a lot of politics, so I have nothing to promote. I hate giving myself nicknames as I’m not that creative. Dub me something and I’ll use it instead.

Sep.28 at 1:20 pm

James says:
I like to crack wise along with my serious thoughts. Otherwise I’d fail the Turing test (look him up, as by hapenstance, he was also gay, and killed himself because of it).

Sep.28 at 1:22 pm

white hot eboy says:
It was an extreme comparison purposley, Ryan. From one intelligence extreme to the other. Capisce? And James, don’t open yourself up to a nickname contest, because that could get ridiculous.

Sep.28 at 1:25 pm

Krayzie Bone says:
Lol ok Eboy, I’ll just take something that comes to mind. I’ll go with my favourite rapper when I was in HS (see above)

Sep.28 at 1:26 pm

Sam Rubenstein says:
regarding the devil in Judaism, there is none, but God is not always good. My dad gave me a lecture on this during the Yom Kippur service. For example, during the Holocaust (or what the President of Iran would call that little overhyped incident) the angels asked God “Why are you allowing this to happen?” and His response was “If you ever question me again it’s Noah’s Ark: the sequel time.” No explanation why. If you’re familiar with the stereotype of Jews who ask questions and don’t give answers, it’s because of things like that. What, is my explanation not good enough for you? Does it not make sense?

Sep.28 at 1:31 pm

white hot eboy says:
Uhm, Sam to take a page from Tarzan’s book of shi*tiness, with a twist, ???????????????????
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Sep.28 at 1:34 pm

Krayzie Bone says:
I think thats why you would see the duality between the old and new testements. Christians will often talk about the way that God is nasty in the Old Testement while he is good and Lucifer, the fallen Angel, is the cause of evil. Its almost like a marketing angle for the new faith. God is a nicer guy in our code; look, he even sacrificed his son (who is also him) in order to ensure everyone gets eternal happiness. It makes it more appealing from a conversion aspect (though Jewish culture tends not to attempt to spread the gospel the way that Islam or Christianty do). In buddhism, the tradition that treats Buddha as a deity, Mahayana Buddhism, is more popular that Theraveda Buddhism, which does not. The reason I think is because only those who are of the monastic order can become enlighted in Theraveda Buddhism, while Mahayana Buddhism allows anyone to become enlightened.

Sep.28 at 1:34 pm

Hisham says:
James, that was pretty impressive. You seem to have some knowledge about this, so i want to ask you a question. You say that according to christianity, homosexuality is a sin. According to Islam, it’s an abomination. For a long time, i’ve tried to “defend” Islam (i have an islamic background) to anyone who called it an extremist and hateful religion by saying that christians and jews and every other major religion aren’t so fond of gay people either. Is the islamic view of homosexuality that much worse than the christian view? I know the Quran and Hadeeth tend to use harsher language, but isn’t that just semantics?

Sep.28 at 1:36 pm

James says:
This is a test post. I posted 2 other comments awaiting moderation, I suspect because I changed my name at Eboy’s suggestion (Krayzie bone, as I was a bone thugs fan in High School)

Sep.28 at 1:40 pm

H to the izzo says:
Being the part time Catholic that I am,I might as well state that the Catholic church’s view on homosexuality is that it is OK but the act of homosexual intercourse is a sin.Does it make sense-No

Sep.28 at 1:45 pm

white hot eboy says:
Izzo, I’m Roman Catholic, and if it was up to the modern-day priests, man boy love would be a new commandment.

Sep.28 at 1:46 pm

James says:
I’m unfortunately not an expert on Islam (not really on the other two either, I just know a bit). I have a Qu’ran, but I find religious text rather boring to read (they’re all poetry and I can’t stand it after a while). I would say that Islam is harsher on it in print and in practice, but that all of the abrahamic faiths have terrible records when it comes to the treament of homosexuals. The reason that homosexuals have better lives in the west than in the history of abrahamic faiths is because of the enlightenment, not because of some major difference between the religions. If you compared the religious ideas of the highly orthodox communities of Jews living in the annexed land of the West Bank, or if you examine the views of extreme Christians like a good portion of the rightwing evangelical movement in the southern U.S., there isn’t a great deal of difference in views than with the Saudi Monarchy or Bin Laden or the Ruling Clerics in Iran. The books are highly flexible in terms of human behaviour, so its possible to find a very tolerant and flexible interpretation of sin and the rules, or a very rigid and inntolerant interpretation. If you are a muslim that wants to defend what is good in islam, look for quotations that call for the correction of behaviour as opposed to the punishment of it. There are all sorts of things, as Ryan pointed out with his shelfish comment, that are ignored by nominal (by name) christians and jews in the name of toleration. Jews don’t stone adulterers, even if it is commanded in the old testement (for christianity, its more complex as Jesus death is supposed to forgive all kinds of things, but it is unclear what limits there are). I don’t thing that calling it an abomination is just semantics, and there is no record of Jesus’s view on homosexuality, but that doesn’t mean that it can’t be modified in some way. We aren’t condemed by the words of our religions, we are challenged to apply them to the world we live in. I think the best dramatized account of how Islam should deal with homosexuality is in OZ. The character Said treats Beecher with love and respect while condeming the sin. If you want to be both a Muslim and peaceful in regards to homosexuality, that is the model I would follow.

Sep.28 at 1:49 pm

James says:
The Anglican Church, which has a more tolerant view of things Primarily because of who has become the clergy in england, has a good view of the issue, while remaining true to the text as possible. I was baptized anglican, but my rational mind treated the bible as childrens stories, so I chose Buddhism for myself when I was in Grade 7, because I liked the ethics better and I liked that there was no deity (in the sect that I chose)

Sep.28 at 1:59 pm

Allenp says:
James, one point of correction. The term “abomination” is used in the Bible regarding homosexuality. It is also used for lying, excess pride and several other things. Check out Proverbs. Also, Ryan, the shellfish argument lacks a coherent understanding on Biblical teachings about the Old and New Testament and the weight given to Mosiac law by Gentile Christians. Really, what Leviticus says about shellfish has nothing to do with the Bible’s stance on homosexuality.

Sep.28 at 2:00 pm

Hisham says:
that makes sense, James.. i do not practice Islam, I just kinda get offended when people make my dad’s religion out to be a hateful religion. I like to think Islam isn’t practiced in a right way by many muslims. It is a shame that it is these Muslims who get most of the attention. It is very paradoxal (i don’t know if that’s a word, but i hope it’ll get my point across) that religions that preach love, tolerance and peace would also tell you to judge people who are different from you. It also doesn’t make sense to me that a God who is made out to be everything that is beautiful and good makes you bow and live in fear om Him. That is why i don’t practice islam or any religion for that matter. There you go eboy, we went there after all

Sep.28 at 2:00 pm

James says:
The other thing that I would say, and this relates to Sams offhand comment about Ahmadeinejad (Im sure thats the wrong spelling) is that, as a politician, he is being quite cagey with most of what he says about the Holocaust. The clerics in Iran, and he as well (since he has the equivalent power in Iran as the secretary of state does in the US) are trying to cultivate the questioning of the holocaust not because they don’t believe it happened, but as a way of attacking the foundational premise of the creation of the Israeli state. While the Zionist movement was pushing for the creation of Israel since the 1870’s when it was founded by Theodore Herzl, and continued to lobby right up to the beginning of the 2nd World War, the event that allowed its founding to be legitimized after the war was the horific events of the Nazi Holocaust. Many political leaders in israel will point to that event in order to justify the states creation, as well as entice the diaspora to come live in israel. Muslims of course see this as a travesty and want the land back as Jerusalem is important to them too, and so they look for a way to deligitimize the founding. It has been seized upon that if you minimize the meaning of the holocaust, then you delegitimize the state’s existence, and therefore can push for a restoration of muslim control of the territory. Ahmadeinejad says as much when he says why if it happened in europe to the palestinians have to give up their land to make it better? The problem of course is that when he puts on his conference to examine the event, the lay person in the muslim world doesn’t get the nuance and just says it didn’t happen. you then get people like a friend of mine who argues that jews had it coming because of the settlement the germans got after ww1 (which is something I can barely begin to attack without having voice recognition software to transcribe my thoughts). It in turn stirs up big trouble for both Palestinians, and Iranians, because it delegitimates the valid claims of Palestinain disposition that continue to this day in the west bank, and it ensures that Iran remains a pariah state in the international sphere. For Israelis who are in their 70’s, it stirs up horrible memories of the lives that were extinguished during ww2, a trauma that i doubt any of us at least can ever appreciate.

Sep.28 at 2:02 pm

mutoni says:
despite this being a potentially explosive thread, this had turned into a frighteningly sane and civilized conversation.

Sep.28 at 2:04 pm

James says:
I stand corrected Allenp. That will please Hisham in terms of looking for differences. I think Ryan’s point was that there are ideas within the books that many don’t practice, and still manage to lead moral lives. I believe that the condemnation of homosexuality in American culture, and I say this as a critical observer, not a hater, is something that is a sign of a terrible decline in the progress towards a more humane world. The rest of the west has a more tolerant, though not totally tolerant, view of homosexuals, and the bigoted culture of christianity, which seems to be a violation of the concept of Jesus’s love is one of the most dangerous political movements in the world. It would be like if Bin Laden instead of hiding in a cave, had 40 million followers and was free to meet with the presidents of all the Arab states.

Sep.28 at 2:08 pm

James says:
Its about keeping the insults low. If you have a contentious idea, you don’t reduce the person you argue with by insulting them. There was a document put out by Gingrich’s people in 94 that said to do just the opposite. So in dealing with someone it advocated calling them sick or twisted etc. This is a terrible way to live. As Common said about music, if i don’t like it, I don’t like it, I’m not hating. Applying that to political discourse, I don’t have to demean you to disagree with you, or in biblical terms, hate the sin, love the sinner.

Sep.28 at 2:09 pm

Hisham says:
James, not only are you a smart guy, you also seem to be able to type realy, really, flawlessly fast

Sep.28 at 2:10 pm

H to the izzo says:
James that is unbelievably fast typing,even if I disagreed with you,there would be no way I could keep up an argument.

Sep.28 at 2:11 pm

Hisham says:
where’s eboy the roman catholic?

Sep.28 at 2:12 pm

Hisham says:
and why doesn’t kt stay around to argue his point?

Sep.28 at 2:13 pm

James says:
Its practice. I took a class in gr. 9. I also had practice on AIM for a few years with a girl from the BX who can absolutly smoke me on it. I can hit 75 wpm. She’s close to 120

Sep.28 at 2:14 pm

H to the izzo says:
I can play the part of token Roman Catholic if need be.

Sep.28 at 2:14 pm

James says:
Alright my friends, this has been fun, but I must head off to work.

Sep.28 at 2:15 pm

Keith says:
Eboy, you credit Tarzan way too much. You’re encouraging him man!

Sep.28 at 2:17 pm

andre anglais says:
Thank you James, AllenP, Hisham, and everyone else who has made me chuckle and think today. kt, go f*** yerself.

Sep.28 at 2:18 pm

Allenp says:
James, I think that the condemnation of homosexuality by many Christians is a classic example of being willing to condemn actions that most people feel no inclination to partake in. Most Christians have no urge to commit homosexual acts so it’s easy to criticize homosexual acts as being the worst thing since Bo Outlaw’s free throw form. However, you rarely seem the same level of ire raised when discussing fornication, adultery or divorce, mainly because the people who condemn homosexuals often participate in all three of those. Personally, I have a very traditional view of the Bible, but I also understand that most people do not and that does not bother me in the least. More importantly, I understand that most people who claim to have a traditional view of the Bible are living lives mired in hypocrisy.

Sep.28 at 2:21 pm

Keith says:
James just brought the I.Q. up on this board to 9.

Sep.28 at 3:45 pm

jbn74sb says:
Jesus Christo! James’ comments are longer than the damn post, but are apparently worth reading. Now I just need a couple of free hours to do so.

Sep.28 at 3:45 pm

Ryan Jones says:
Allenp, I realize I was comparing apples and, um, shellfish, but I trust you see my larger point. The big lesson here is a literal reading of centuries-old religious texts that had dozens of authors and have gone through countless translations tends, rationally, to be a bad idea. And the smaller but vastly more entertaining lesson is that kt is (if I may paraphrase an OG Slam cover) krazy-mad ignorant.

Sep.28 at 3:45 pm

jbn74sb says:
Oh, this is fun. Comments work on my work computer again. Look out world.

Sep.28 at 3:59 pm

white hot eboy says:
Bodie, you crack me the fu*k up. Yes, boys, shockingly, I was working for a few hours. And if I didn’t know it, james (aka Crazy Bones) is some sort or spirtual anomoly. Cool discussion, but like Bodie said, I just don’t have the time to read all the scripturesque comments right now.

Sep.28 at 4:25 pm

Captain America says:
Tim’s next class: “How to love like a beast”

Sep.28 at 4:40 pm

Hoop Dreamz says:
Why did I bother going to a 4-yr liberal arts college when I can learn so much about the world from the SLAMDome and its loyal readers… waste of 70 G’s man!

Sep.28 at 4:56 pm

James says:
Allenp, I think your hypothesis on the differing standards on the persecution of human failings is a very observant comment. I hadn’t considered it from that perspective, but you may very well be correct. As for Liberal Arts, thats basically what I’m taking right now in University, so you can read it hear, or learn it yourself and then spread the knowledge.

Sep.28 at 5:03 pm

Tarzan Cooper says:
god is an illusion, created by man, so that few will have power over many

Sep.28 at 5:18 pm

James says:
Unfortunately Tarzan, your statement is a negative statement and can never be proven. It is impossible to say for you to prove that statement, so don’t put that burden of proof on yourself. We all are born ignorant of most of what goes on and remain so. When someon posits that there is a good, you ask them for unambiguous evidence to support their hypothesis. If anyone could do so, then there would be no doubt, and most people would believe the same set of religious rules. That doesn’t happen because unambiguous proof has not been shown anywhere, so we are left with differing accounts of something none of us, faithful or not, can demonstrate to be true. My perspective on this is that I don’t care what your motivations are for you behaviour, nor do I care what you belive happens in the world we don’t know. All that mattes are your ethics. If your ethics are objectively decent, then I have no quarrel with anything else your religion commands or believes. I don’t subscribe to the view of those that feel that we should all belive one way or another, because none of us can know what is right, we only have an emotional feeling of what should be. Most peoples religions are not their own, but their parents’ religions, passed down and indoctrinated within them over the course of ones youth. This is equally true of scientific rationalism. All require indoctrination in order to become the mind sets of people.

Sep.28 at 6:00 pm

Krayzie Bone says:
My new moniker works, so with appologies to Anthony Henderson, I’ll use it now.

Sep.28 at 7:21 pm

Tariq says:
James/KrayzieBone…. I like your Said from Oz reference. I believe that’s exactlyyo howusM lims are supposed to interact with homosexuals. I think that the fact that homosexuality has become so inextricable from identity causes friction. For example, because I’m a Muslim, I believe that drinking alcohol is a sin, but because “drinking”is not connected to identity, this isn’t a problem..And many of ymy friends (including Muslims) drink. Anyway, I’m starting to ramble.

Sep.28 at 7:22 pm

Tariq says:
Typing on this site is becoming exceedingly difficult. If you have to backspace all hell breaks loose.

Sep.28 at 7:34 pm

Tariq says:
Krayzie Bone: I wrote an essay about how the ineffable is not an adequate source of belief in Islam. Although you raise some excellent points about parents’ religions/ indoctrination and emotional attachments to certain sects of beliefs, I don’t think that that sort of rationale is Islamic. Incidentally, I lthoroughly enjoyed “Thug Luv”

Sep.28 at 7:35 pm

Tariq says:
Eboy sucks. I’m just sayin.

Sep.28 at 7:50 pm

albie1kenobi says:
big up Krayzie Bone. i do remember that madness you put down way back (was that before/during the summer?) on that one post. it’s like a professor speaking, everyone just shuts up and try to grasp what he’s saying. thanks for the enlightenment.

Sep.28 at 8:05 pm

Krayzie Bone says:
Albie and Tariq thanks very much. I just read and absorb a lot of information. I used more time talking about things that weren’t so important in the real world (Sega Versus Nintendo, why Techno and Bone Thugs were the most important art forms ever, the Blue Jays). I was always politically aware though, even as young as 4. My parents used to put on CBC radio (which is like NPR, except not starved for funding), and I remember things like when the Pan Am flight was blown up over Lockerbie, or when the Berlin Wall fell, or even the famine in Ethiopia (one of my earliest memories of the outside world). To know what I know though isn’t complicated, it just takes some time. I honestly think its harder for the average american though because of the availability of critical media, outside of the internet, is so limited, and people are so unwilling to read something that goes against what they consider to be their own identity. The labels of Conservative/Liberal used in american political discourse make it impossible to have rational conversations with people. No one is willing to deal with someone who is of a differnent political persuasion without making them defend a comment that is from “your side” (as though you’re responsible for what everyone who agrees with some some of your opinions says). Alternatively they just say well you’re from another political persuasion, I can’t believe anything you say. You’d point out trivial things like water was wet, and they’d take the counter position just because they oppose everything you want to see happen politically.

Sep.28 at 8:08 pm

Krayzie Bone says:
Incidentally Tariq, my favourite Bone song was Down ‘71/Tha Getaway on East 1999/Eternal. I just found it was the fastest song I could keep up with (with much practice). Here’s some trivia, they came from the same Ghetto that the former Mayor of the City Grew up in, Denis Kucinich (best choice for president, which means he’ll never win).

Sep.28 at 8:35 pm

Krayzie Bone says:
To get back on topic for the post, I am with Mutoni on this. Good for Tim Hardaway, for attempting to learn more about your fellow human beings. This type of action, even if it doesn’t result in a total change of heart, is what the world needs much more of.

Sep.28 at 11:09 pm

Rubens says:
jezz, thought bodie would come up with all kinds of stats to tim’s visit to the yes institute…

Sep.29 at 3:35 am

Tarzan Cooper says:
people are so unwilling to read something that goes against what they consider to be their own identity.

Sep.29 at 3:35 am

Tarzan Cooper says:
:zzz

Sep.29 at 3:35 am

Tarzan Cooper says:
dammit

Sep.29 at 5:43 am

ballaboy23 says:
may i ask one question HOW IN HELLS NAME DOES THIS HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH SLAM i think that he said that so he cud get a camera guy to follow him for a week and he wudent feel so insecure bout how he cant play basketball half as good as some a da crappiest players in the nba so as soon as he appologizes for his messed up media stunt i say screw him no one likes him anyway

Sep.29 at 7:45 am

peterparker says:
enough said, Well done Tim

Sep.29 at 8:24 am

Krayzie Bone says:
I agree Tarzan.

Sep.29 at 2:52 pm

SEMAJ says:
FREEDOM OF SPEECH??? WHAT HAPPEN TO THAT AMENDMENT?

Sep.29 at 5:53 pm

zerotwohero says:
Tim Hardaway made some very rude comments. He seriously screwed up his whole career with his discrimination. Why does he even care? He is just discriminating.

Sep.29 at 6:33 pm

Rubens says:
zero: but it’s nice to see he’s trying to make it right and learn a little…

Sep.29 at 6:36 pm

Gerard Himself says:
awesome headline

Sep.29 at 11:16 pm

Krayzie Bone says:
That’s so very true Rubens. Anytime that any one makes an effort to become a more compassionate human is a blessed event for all of us. If Tim Hardaway’s feelings are genuine, or even if he still has a problem with homosexual conduct but has learned to hate the sin and love the sinner, the example he sets has moved from negative to positive, and he should be congratulated. As to SEMAJ’s comment, I’m not sure that anyone actually challenged is right to speak out as he did, they challenged the content of his speech. He made what were in my opinion hateful and ignorant comments, and he was challenged on them. His rights weren’t suspended in anyway, he wasn’t sanctioned by any legal body, and his freedom was not imposed upon. Freedome of speech means the right to be challenged on your speech as well as the right to give a speech.

Sep.30 at 1:36 am

dallas says:
this be site sucks…

Sep.30 at 3:20 am

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Sep.30 at 3:02 pm

zerotwohero says:
Rubens: But we all no he is still just a homophobic jerk. He will never shed that image of what he said.

Sep.30 at 6:40 pm

Krayzie Bone says:
People’s beliefs are flexible zero. If this education has helped him unerstand the stigma and isolation that young homosexuals and transgenders feel, then maybe he isn’t a homophobe anymore. We dont know how his beliefs were formed in the first place, so we cannot judge how profound his change may be, or if its a smokescreen. As for his career being over, his knees did that, not some horrendous comentary on other human beings.

Sep.30 at 11:07 pm

Dave-o says:
Blah, blah, blah. Oh, and the origin of dualism (good/evil, g-d,devil) in Judeo-Christian religion stems from Zoroastrianism. See, other people can drop religious knowledge too. Go Bobcats.