Feb.15 at 12:53 am

The Real Mongoose says:
Wow….First…but wow

Feb.15 at 12:54 am

Russ Bengtson says:
Whoa. Does this mean he’s going to get kicked off of Pros Vs. Joes now?

Feb.15 at 12:56 am

The Real Mongoose says:
That’s crazy, I live on the west coast and i used to crawl out of bed for the Knicks/Heat playoff series just for Tim Hardaway. Does anyone else think Lamar Odom is gay, or is it just me? Especially in street clothes

Feb.15 at 1:00 am

TheHype says:
My goodness. I think Timmy ate one too many Doritos. What a wank

Feb.15 at 1:12 am

mutoni says:
tim “i got NO pr skillz” hardaway, ladies and germs!

Feb.15 at 1:12 am

YezSyr says:
Damn… I wish things like this were a nonfactor. I’m having flashbacks of the HIV paranoia surrounding Magic. Sounds like Timmy thinks he would get raped if he played with him, although… I was pretty sure Amechi didn’t rape any teammates.

Feb.15 at 1:14 am

Nick The Nugg Doctor says:
Whooops!

Feb.15 at 1:15 am

Nando says:
Hardaway may have been a great basketball player but he’s got alot to learn about civility. It’s ironic that an African-American is guilty of the same hatred that was shown to his ilk back in the ’60s and ’70s. You’d think he’d learn something from history. That is, if he went to history class to begin with.

Feb.15 at 1:19 am

Seth says:
Wow. Tim makes Shavlik Randolph look like Boy George. Hardaway’s Wikipedia entry says that he once dressed up as the cop from the Village People.

Feb.15 at 1:33 am

Victor C. Grant says:
he’s in titile to his opnion i agree. no one told the dude to be gay. that was his choice.

Feb.15 at 1:39 am

friendlier says:
What planet is this asshole from? He’s spent his entire career avoiding anyone he thinks is gay? What a fucking scaredy-cat.

Feb.15 at 1:45 am

lifetimerule says:
wow what an ignorant asswipe this hardaway guy is
i can’t believe some douche like that can voice their opinion like that

Feb.15 at 2:01 am

Alex chuc says:
the killer crossover!

Feb.15 at 2:05 am

Drolfe says:
Holy sh*t. That is messed up.

Feb.15 at 2:09 am

saaheb says:
I have no time to read this article, but looking at the heading I see no reason why a person should not have his freedom of expression.His reservation is quite natural and he is entitled to it.

Feb.15 at 2:12 am

Gloria Lloyd says:
Wow. I used to respect him! Now, I can’t. I’m sure that will be a lot of people’s reaction. It’s too bad, as he was always a member of the NBA I liked and appreciated. Mark Cuban was right: there will be more of a backlash against those who say anything against a gay NBA-er than the gay NBA-er himself. I’m sure Tim has played with gay players before, and he’s so ignorant that he didn’t even realize it. They’re not going to be any different than other players in the locker room or anywhere else. What an idiot, I’m sorry to say. Since many players have already said that they would have no problem with a gay player (Grant Hill, etc.), Tim is obviously full of BS and just speaking for his own prejudiced self! 50 years ago, you could easily insert “black” or “Negro” for “gay” in his comments and you can just see how prejudiced they actually are. Jesus, who loved everyone and taught love and forgiveness towards all people, would not appreciate Tim’s sentiments, either.

Feb.15 at 2:12 am

Toronto says:
People say hateful things when they are crazy upset, just ask Michael Richards. On a serious note Tim’s comments were asinine, ignorant and just downwright cold. He basically called for the a genocide on gays. Is this OK???!?!?!? Get real Tim. Where you confronted by a gay heckler during the radio show? I have no respect for you Tim….not anymore.

Feb.15 at 2:18 am

roy says:
me think-ith he doth protest-ith to much-ith

Feb.15 at 2:19 am

1hush D says:
150 + comments on Farmer Jones Outro…doesn’t Timmy read Slamonline? Dumb, dumb Timmy. Thank you Amaechi for exposing Tim the bigot. Ya Basta

Feb.15 at 2:20 am

1hush D says:
America….free to speak your mind, even if you are really dumb.

Feb.15 at 2:23 am

Poopship Destroyer says:
Society, including myself, still has a long way to go though - because while Timmy’s comments are obviously ignorant, absurd, hateful, stupid, etc., I kinda laughed when I heard it on TV because it was just so stupid…. Now if he said he hated Hispanic people, for example, I’d be shocked and I wouldn’t laugh…. I consider myself the anti-homophobe, but do you get my point?

Feb.15 at 2:24 am

Kyle Stack says:
Doesn’t it make sense that he apologized after he said that stuff? Every athlete always does that. I’m just waiting for him to say that he was misunderstood. How will this make Stern feel about the image of the NBA now? Hardaway, as a recent NBA retiree, could be the voice for how many other NBA players feel – although I hope not.

Feb.15 at 2:26 am

Chief says:
WOW…did not expect this..wait there is always someone who is an ignorant son of a bitch.

Feb.15 at 3:02 am

Marie says:
Those are some horrible remarks. The apology sounded really half-assed, like it was an afterthought. And what’s with the “something has to give” garbage? He’s only sorry that he said it, that he made it public, but he’s not sorry for feeling that way. Disgusting.

Feb.15 at 4:30 am

clapzilla says:
Paul Pierce Said He Wouldn’t Guard A Guy If He Was Openly Gay. Where Were All The People Bashin’ Him? Not To Say That Timmy’s Remarks Weren’t In Poor, Poor Taste, But He’s Not The Only One. Damn You ESPN For Making One of My Favorite Players Look Like Such A Dick!

Feb.15 at 4:30 am

Toronto says:
Tim is an idiot and should lose any position he holds with the NBA and/or broadcast companies……after all many of the people he dislikes are fans of the NBA. Why should gay people and the people that accept gay people tolerate TIM on TV or as a rep. of the NBA when TIM is a HATER. You may be able to speak your mind in the USA, but let it be known that if a celebrity or public figure directed their hatred towards a group of individuals becuase of their race, ethnicity and/or religion the public would be screaming bloody murder. Tim next time save ur breath, because it WREAKS U U DAMN BIGOT.

Feb.15 at 5:03 am

German Reignman says:
It wasn`t ESPN, its Tim that is making Tim look like a d…. MAybe he would be ok if a gay teammate would come up to him and tell him he is not his type since he is a 5`4 ugly homophobic mf ?

Feb.15 at 5:09 am

Shaun Thompson (British) says:
It just goes to show that ignorance is universal. I bet Hardaway would be the first person to comment if someone said “I hate Black people”. Race and gender may be different but the principles of ignorance, prejudice and discrimination are not. Well done to Amechi for bringing all these ignorant people out of the closet.

Feb.15 at 6:06 am

Boing Dynasty says:
Look, i think the overall point he was trying to make was, somthing has to give. Okay?

Feb.15 at 6:54 am

Froggiestyle says:
Hey, it’s a free country and personally I feel really good that Timmy expressed himself so freely and openly. It really takes the pressure off me when I go on record and say I really can’t handle playing ball with a player who is openly black - you know that black lifestyle, black clothes, likes black music, engages in black sex. I mean it’s ok to be black, as long as you act white. If not, don’t be surprised if you get, traded, ostracized, etc…. Good point Tim, way to keep the hope and movement alive. Nucca please.

Feb.15 at 7:51 am

NAS says:
Tim is free to say what he wants, he has earned that right, and he doesnt need to apologize or nuthin, at least he was honest, you can agree or disagree but dont call him a dick - froggiestyle check posts on farmar outro cuz what you just said was not a good comparison at all

Feb.15 at 7:58 am

NAS says:
btw on an unrelated note if yall think chris paul and jason kidd are good do yall remember what timmy was like when healthy - when he was healthy and john stockton was healthy he was considered the BETTER PG of the 2 - respect to tim bug said what you want its a free country, ameachi said what he wanted and timmy is doing the same big whupp

Feb.15 at 7:59 am

NAS says:
i meant respect to tim bug for speaking his mind, not for his opinion

Feb.15 at 8:00 am

Danny W. UK says:
Only in America

Feb.15 at 8:07 am

Danny W. UK says:
Except Amaechi wasn’t preaching ‘ I hate a specific minority group of people ‘. He just said ‘ I am gay ‘. What next in the Land of the free? Tim Bug starting up a posse to hound out the active nba players who might be gay?
Riding round in a pick up wearing pink hoods? This is worse than Michael (KKKramer) Richards.

Feb.15 at 8:33 am

mutoni says:
nas, your overall ignorance makes me feel so much better about myself as a human being. thanks!

Feb.15 at 8:44 am

» Babylinks: Refs and the Slippery Slope - SLAM ONLINE says:
[…] - Then again, the other prodigy almost pulled a Marquette last night. - From the man who brings you the best Tim Hardaway coverage on the Internet, Marcel Mutoni, we’ve got a good wrapup of this year’s giant killer: Virginia Tech. […]

Feb.15 at 8:59 am

Ryan Jones says:
F*ck Betty Ford, I’ma start the Farmer Jones Giant A**hole Rehab Center for all these subhuman public figures who can’t keep their mouths shut. I think Timmy and Kramer will make GREAT roommates.
Nas, you can visit during approved hours. Just make sure you call ahead.

Feb.15 at 9:09 am

Jill says:
Well, from where I sit on Tim Hardway’s comment about gay people. In my ten years of being around men - I haven’t met a straight man that cannot be had by gay men. Like they say, “They are only a six pack away from being had”. All of his ranting and raving sounds like to me that he is just scared about being around gay people. But God forbid some white people say they do not want to be around black people or do not want to play on a team with “black” people and that is concidered racism. It is all the same - Ignorance breeds ignorance. And for these days and times for a black man to sit in judgement of someone is just IGNORANT.

Feb.15 at 9:37 am

Sam Rubenstein says:
A guy that’s desperate for publicity (pros vs joes, aba career after nba) going on an espn radio show to talk about an issue put forth by an espn book and talking with the kind of tone that gets your name on espn? no way.
If I’m going to read about homophobia, I prefer the Christian morality of Chris Broussard: http://insider.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?name=broussard_chris

Feb.15 at 10:08 am

1hush D says:
Maybe Sternbot agrees with Tim. Now that he has players dressing the way he wants and speaking the way he wants, as well as, leaving their guns at home, maybe he wants to tell players who they can or cannot sleep with. Who needs a constitution anyway. Ok to disparage gays - not ok to criticize an official for a call. Wow, what a fun country we live in. Smell the hate. NAS, hang in there. You are learning, it is just a very slow process. Free speech is great except when it used to yell “Fire” in a crowded theater, to threaten someone’s life, or for hate speech etc….like Michael Richards and Tim Hardaway, you get the point. “Both teams played hard”

Feb.15 at 10:11 am

Ryan Jones says:
I can’t hate on Brousard’s take, because I know for a fact that he’s a really good dude and very, very committed to his religious beliefs — and not AT ALL in a hateful way. I’d say that’s the first intelligent piece of dissent I’ve read in all this, actually.

Feb.15 at 10:16 am

mutoni says:
tim hardaway: one giant utep 2-step backwards for mankind. (thank you! i’ll be here all week.)

Feb.15 at 10:34 am

Cheryl says:
Tim used to have a nightclub in Miami called “Hardaway’s”. It was the happenin’ spot for black gay night life. Ironic, no?

Feb.15 at 10:57 am

Sparker says:
i find all of this mildly hilarious, including broussard’s theoretically enlightened take. he seems to be saying that he disapproves of homosexuality but not homosexuals he knows personally; maybe we should find some more gay people and introduce them to him. he also mentions that muslims don’t approve of gay men; but does that mean he approves of their tolerance for men who kill their wives for leaving them? anyone who lives in a major city (which obviously excludes some of you crackers) has regular contact with gay men and women. being gay is not their “lifestyle choice.” it is who they are and have been their whole lives (which the latest medical research supports).

Feb.15 at 11:05 am

Ryan Jones says:
I’ll stick up for him because I know him, Sparker: Broussard is just being honest. He’s a devout guy, never in a holier than thou way that I’ve seen, but he’s got his beliefs and sticks by them. There’s no hate in his game, and in his mind it’s not a question of “disapproval” as much as he lives his life by a book that tells him homosexuality is a sin. I don’t agree, obviously, and you can certainly make a really, really (really) strong case against taking the Bible literally… but I’ll avoid that one here. And since not all Muslims are wife-killers, that might’ve been a stretch on your part; his point there, obviously, was that Christianity and Islam share an (implied?) belief that homosexuality is a sin. But, whatever. You and I are probably philosophically identical on 99 percent of this sh*t. I’m just saying, if Chris’ response was the most ignorant one we’ve heard, we’d be in pretty good shape.

Feb.15 at 11:09 am

MILITANT says:
Wow, well he really proved that he was homophobic based on the response and tone he used when he made that ignorant statement. Why would he even assume that anyone would be watching him “specifically” in the locker room anyway! As a masculine black gay male I have preferences and its not “every” man that i see and its not always sexual. If I were in a locker room sitaution ( as I have been numerous times before… ) honestly I am not looking around at people because for one its a respect thing to yourself and your teammates,secondly I am there for the same reason my teammates, not to man watch. If I wanted to man watch I would do that on my own time,not with my co-workers !!! For the record Mr Hardaway you are not eveybodys type so stop thinking its all about you man. Most straight men,not all give themselves to much credit in that department anyway. At least be attractive or in shape before you go screaming you don’t want anyone gay around you….lol.God created man and he knows all,sees all……If God didn’t want gay people in the world “trust me we wouldn’t be here ” and with people like this idiot Hardaway who would intentionally choose to be gay unless thats who they really are. Lastly,it’s funny how people hand pick things from the bible that are sins “The bible says”……..and they use the scriptures to supress a certain group or persons but when its comes to them personally and the sins they have committed they aren’t so quick to reference the bible or the bible isn’t even though of in that instance. One sin doesn’t out weigh the other. This almost sounds like “THE MANS” point of view about blacks during the Civil Rights Movement and even still today. Sorry I had so much to say but this got under my skin….

Feb.15 at 11:25 am

Matthew says:
Not only do I agree with Ryan about OJ Mayo (kid is still the truth) I also agree with him about his comment. I just read the Brousard piece and I couldn’t agree more with what he had to say. Being a Christian myself, I believe that homosexuality is wrong and it is a lifestyle that someone chooses. However, as a Christian, the Bible tells you to not to hate anyone, but to hate “sin”. And according to the good book, homosexuality is a “sin”. I’m not trying to preach to anyone here b/c believe me, I’m not perfect. I have my own faults and downfalls too. And as for medical research, if you look hard enough, you’ll find research that, for lack of a better term, “goes both ways”. You’ll find research saying ppl are born gay and ppl who aren’t. It’s just like evolution. Some scientists say it happened others say it didn’t. On topics like these, instead of putting each other on blast, we have to just agree to disagree. And, by the way, I disagree with what Tim Hardaway says but the fact Brousard draws a fine line between disapproving of homosexuality and homosexuals is very clear to me. In the end, I think Chris wrote an excellent article and I’m a cracker that does not live in a major city and do my very best to love my neighbor as myself, no matter the race, sexuality, gender, etc. This topic has brought about some very intense dialogue and I respect everyone’s opinion although there are some that I disagree with. And that is what makes America great. No matter what kind of opinion you have, you can feel free to express it. If I feel the same way, great, if not, we’ll disagree and move on. And Ryan, Kobe is the best player if the L. Sorry to disagree!!!

Feb.15 at 11:30 am

Ryan Jones says:
When did I say Kobe isn’t the best player in the League?

Feb.15 at 11:59 am

Matthew says:
Let’s just say you said that for arguments sake and we disagreed. That was the point I was trying to make. We all won’t agree on everything all the time and homosexuality is one of many things people will debate and discuss and disect. We all have our own opinions and sometimes we agree and sometimes we don’t.

Feb.15 at 12:07 pm

Tommy Patron says:
“I’m sorry. I shouldn’t have let people know that this is how I think. Now I just made my millionaire life a little more difficult than it otherwise would have been. I am a little upset with myself for that. At least the powers that be will have a reason for keeping me off TV other than the fact that I was terrible as an in-studio analyst. Oh well.”

Feb.15 at 12:16 pm

Ryan Jones says:
Did you just say Kobe’s gay?

Feb.15 at 12:19 pm

Matthew says:
And Sam, if you take out the part (about playing in the aba and pro’s vs. joe’s), your comment could be very well mistaken not for Tim Hardaway, but for John Ameachi. But thanks for the link on the article.

Feb.15 at 12:23 pm

Ryan Jones says:
Matthew, seriously, why do you think Kobe is gay?

Feb.15 at 12:27 pm

JB says:
Wait a minute, are we just going to disregard Cheryl’s post about Timmy’s club? lol How funny (in a damn he’s an idiot way) is it that he was posing with Sheryl Swoopes like minutes before the comments?

Feb.15 at 12:46 pm

Matthew says:
No, sorry for the misunderstanding. I never said Kobe was gay. I was saying for arguments sake that you said Kobe was not the best player in the league and I was saying I thought he was the best player. Again, my apologies for the mix up. I think it’s safe to assume that we all know Kobe isn’t gay.

Feb.15 at 12:51 pm

Cub Buenning says:
Again, I get my North-American socially enlightened reading done right here at this hoops site.
Ryan, please find your way into the Sociology Dept. Then, it can be Farmer and/or Professor Jones.
Sparker, believe it or not, there are gay people out in the middle of nowhere, too.

Feb.15 at 12:59 pm

Ben Collins says:
Tim Hardaway is in the phone book. I bet he’s really regretting that decision today.

Feb.15 at 1:04 pm

Lucky07 says:
Geez, Tim needs to chill. Who cares? Kenny & Charles suggested there have been & continue to be gay players in the NBA. If they can play, what’s the problem?

Feb.15 at 1:24 pm

GET REAL says:
BOTTOM LINE IS TIM HARDAWAY IS A HAS BEEN BASKETBALL PLAYER. HE USED TO BE ABLE TO DRIBBLE A BALL. HE’S NOT A POLITICIAN, HE’S NOT SPLITTING THE ATOM, HE AINT CURING CANCER. WHO GIVES A DAMN WHAT HE THINKS. I PUT HIM IN THE SAME BOAT AS “KRAMER.” JUST BECAUSE THEY APOLOGIZE DOESN’T CHANGE WHAT THEY SAID. I’M GLAD THEY SAID IT, ACTUALLY. REGARDLESS THEY ARE GOING TO FEEL THAT WAY, AT LEAST WE KNOW WHERE THEY STAND NOW. THEY DON’T HAVE TO FRONT. THERE ARE A LOT OF RACISTS, BIGOTS, HOMOPHOBES, ETC JUST BECAUSE THEY DON’T COME OUT AND SAY IT DOESN’T MAKE THEM BETTER THAN THOSE THAT DO.

Feb.15 at 1:28 pm

Chris C says:
ok ya’ll know where i stand on this, and yep its pretty heartbreaking to hear about tim, i named a pet after him. he’ll still be on pros vs joes tho, john rocker is on it.

Feb.15 at 1:38 pm

jbn74sb says:
Share your thoughts with Tim - from zabasearch: http://www.zabasearch.com/query1_zaba.php?sname=tim%20hardaway&state=ALL&ref=$ref&se=$se&doby=&city=&name_style=1 http://www.zabasearch.com/query1_zaba.php?sname=timothy%20hardaway&state=ALL&ref=%24ref&se=%24se&doby=&city=&name_style=1

Feb.15 at 1:45 pm

Ryan Jones says:
Can somebody please tell me why Matthew is so convinced that Kobe is gay? Because me, I don’t get it.
And Cub: I’m working on it.

Feb.15 at 1:52 pm

Chris says:
the bible does consider homosexuality a sin, BUT it also considers premarital & extramarital sex sins as well. So I find it somewhat hippocritical when christians get on their soap box about gays but complete ignore other forms of “sexual immorality”

Feb.15 at 1:52 pm

Benedict says:
Tim’s GAY. I bet he and Amaechi are “partners”.

Feb.15 at 1:58 pm

Ric Bucher says:
I like Hardaways comments… he said what most of us feel. He just told to a larger audience. he was just speaking the Truth… Hardaway I got your back boy.. Holla

Feb.15 at 2:00 pm

Ron Harper says:
BOLD very bold ….

Feb.15 at 2:17 pm

1hush D says:
I don’t buy Bousards argument at all. His moral basis for judging a gay friend on something that does not impact Brousard or others at all is irrational. Trying to slip out of the race or religious belief comparison is specious on his part and frankly, I think I may respect Hardaway with all of his ignorance more than I would respect Brousard’s hypocrisy and his “what a great friend who I morally condemn” attitude. I am sure to regret that statement. I blame their/your gods for all of this.

Feb.15 at 2:33 pm

Pablo (Argentina) says:
I agree with Tim. Well, at least on everything because I DON´T REGRET IT! I mean, it´s not normal. Besides, how´d u be feelin when u r in the showe? AMAECHI SUCKS! SO DOES GAY PEOPLE!

Feb.15 at 2:34 pm

Ryan Jones says:
And on and on it goes… http://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=sbd.main&storyID=SBD2007021527

Feb.15 at 2:37 pm

Matthew says:
Black, white, big city, county, homo, hetero, I don’t care. If you’re cool people, then you’re cool people. Point blank. Simple.

Feb.15 at 2:51 pm

Jake Appleman says:
Wow, Tim Hardaway came out of nowhere to try and steal the “Sucks at lifie” award from Michael Richards and Mel Gibson.

Feb.15 at 2:58 pm

Michael says:
What makes this admitted homophobe so sure that any gay player would find him to be such a prize? If the other players are “upset and can’t concentrate” how about being a professional and leaving your baggage at the door - no matter what it involves? Additionally, since when does Hardaway get to speak for all other players? Nice role model.

Feb.15 at 3:00 pm

albie1kenobi says:
why is this surprising at all? we live in an age where everything has to be politically correct, because it becomes a PR nightmare otherwise. i’m not sure why this doesn’t anger me but Ted Haggard’s “cure from gayness” and Mark “I molest coz i’m gay” Foley pissed me off big time.
the more interesting question now, instead of how many NBA players are gay, is how many players feel the way that Hardaway does. we of course will never find out the answer because, those two groups are scared of each other and the PR nightmares.

Feb.15 at 3:00 pm

true says:
Is this the good ole U.S.A or what? Say what you want about Tim’s comments but the reality is I bet a large majority of players do feel this way. It’s just an ego thing if your in a lockerroom and you look up and see a teammate that you know is openly gay looking at you, not because your cute, he just happen to look up at the same time you did, what would your true reaction be? Another thing Barkley played with people he assumed were gay. Did they come out and admit it to him? No! Trust me there is a difference.

Feb.15 at 3:26 pm

abed says:
i think he had the right to say what he said, I dont agree with it, plus it was a little extreme but Timmy might be speaking from a religious point of view…at least thats what i hope..Also saying you “hate” a certain type of harmless people is pretty ignorant.

Feb.15 at 3:58 pm

Pete says:
Areans is gay. That’s a fact that will come out one day. Mark these words.

Feb.15 at 4:03 pm

Pete says:
Sorry for the rhyme. Oh, and there is nothing wrong with Arenas being gay. It’s actually really a shame that he can’t come out. It would be one of the biggest stories to ever hit sports if a player of his caliber came out.

Feb.15 at 4:16 pm

Chris C says:
how does it have to do with god? christians arent the number one religion out there. they just feel that way. (note im not religious) also kobe gay? i thought so for a while, with all his old shoe ads of him standin all sexy in full leather. plus the italian thing (yeh im italian too, but ive slept with guys too), it all just struck me as so worldly and open to everything, i never thought he was for sure gay, but i mean i thought it was possible. his mannerisms his way of carrying himself, the whole nine. then the rape thing happened. but yeh i dont know players who are gay? itd be hard to guess. i always like to think vincent lamar. yeh yeh hes just soft, but i dont know.

Feb.15 at 4:31 pm

Aaron says:
Tim thinks that the gay community doesn’t have skillz…

Feb.15 at 4:38 pm

Russ Bengtson says:
I really, really, really, REALLY wish an All-Star caliber player in his prime would come out—because then we’d see where people (from teammates to coaches to fans to major companies) really stand.

Feb.15 at 4:40 pm

albie1kenobi says:
according to amaechi on espn (in responds to Tim’s comment), “they can be fined in 33 states for being gay”.
WTF.
SERIOUSLY?
that’s possibly one of the most absurd shit i’ve ever heard.

Feb.15 at 4:42 pm

Rick Kang says:
How can people mention “science” and “religion” when talking about homosexuality? Religion is whut you believe — with little to zero factual proof. Science is based on hypotheses, which must first be proven before being considered true. The point? Religion is ruining peoples’ lives. Instead of just thinking about something (or someone) rationally, one’s “beliefs” have to be taken into account. This freedom of religion thing has morphed into a freedom of idiocy/ignorance thang…. Chris Broussard isn’t a bad writer — likely not a bad guy — but why let some thousand-year-old book written by men (not god) tell you whut to do? He seems smart enuff — why not think for himself on this one? Timmy’s comments were weak ultimately becuz it made an unfadeable baller look ignorant and hateful: Ignorance, 1. Tolerance, 0.

Feb.15 at 4:46 pm

mel says:
What an ignorant douche redneck.. you don’t think “it” should be in the United states? where will “it” go? oh wait, “it” shouldn’t be in the WORLD… what are you even saying? UTEP should be ashamed of schooling someone who still speaks english like it’s his second language - what were those SAT scores anyway? I wish he wasn’t washed up and were still playing so he could get an elbow to the jaw from one of the closeted gay players still in the NBA. Oh yeah, it’s statistically impossible for there not to be more. No chance of them coming out now thanks to retards like hardaway.

Feb.15 at 4:49 pm

Pantywaist of South Dakota says:
Tim Hardaway was told by his God, the 2,000,000,000 worshippers’ God to say he hates gays. He did not apologize to the gay retired basketball player. God is not my deity. My deity is Ishtar.

Feb.15 at 4:55 pm

James Kramer says:
F#@ck you Hardaway, I hate you too, and wish you would just die, or leave USA.

Feb.15 at 5:11 pm

Chris says:
I hate how everyone turns to the religion to back their stance on homosexuality. I don’t know, nor do any of you know, what is and isn’t divinely inspired by God and what is or isn’t written in response to that society. The Bible, and every other religious book was written by men, and if today someone were to write a book that was “inspired by God” or claimed that “God wrote it through man” then we all would look at the author or authors as crazy. It is unfortunate that with all of the evidence that is being found in science about this particularly controversy and how there is much evidence to back that one’s sexuality may in fact be part of one’s genetic make-up (although it hasn’t been proven, it has not been disproven either, and there IS a lot of evidence backing that theory so far). It is just unfortunate that we as a people can be so ignorant to the world around us. Even if every word in the Bible or whatever religious book you believe in was true, if Adam and Eve were the first two people created and that humans were made from sand, and if homosexuality is in fact something people choose and that it is not something that they are, I think that from a humanistic perspective it would only be right to accept others for who they are and live life… No wonder so many people are so shook to come out and be real with others about who they are. I feel sorry for them because it seems that living a life in secrecy would be a fate most cruel. It’s like Joseph Conrad wrote, “Who knows what true happiness is, not the conventional word, but the naked terror. To the lonely themselves, that wear a mask, the most miserable outcast hugs some memory or some illusion.” However, I feel just as sorry for all of us who are each ignorant in our own ways and have trouble accepting others truly as they are. It shows that we have a long way to go before we can ever consider ourselves to have truly met our full potential as a society.

Feb.15 at 5:18 pm

true says:
I think most of the guys responding are gay, or are just full of hate themselves. How can you talk about what he said being wrong and them proceed to call him gay (I assume as an insult) and proceed to call him names when you don’t even know what type of person he is. Just cause he is homophobic that makes him ignorant? Really?

Feb.15 at 5:20 pm

abed says:
I really dont give a shit if someone is gay or not, Its not my thing and as long as u dont approach me with it im fine, I dont care what your preferences are… But i see Timmys point, if ur a straight athlete it might be uncomfortable in the locker room or in the huddle, or being close to the guy if you know hes gay..It just creates an uncomfortable environment, but Timmys words were harsh, saying that he “hates” gay people..

Feb.15 at 5:39 pm

clapzilla says:
Gene Wojciechowski Is Now Questioning The Hype In All of This. http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/columns/story?columnist=wojciechowski_gene&id=2766874

Feb.15 at 5:47 pm

Reggie Evans says:
Ryan Jones really lost it back there (a handful comments ago). Anytime the subject of Kobe comes up, he goes off. What really happened with him and Kobe????? I WANT THE TRUTH!! … I can handle the truth, too … I think.

Feb.15 at 5:51 pm

what says:
I don’t care if he hates gay people or not but how stupid do you have to be to say that on a radio show? What a dumbass

Feb.15 at 5:59 pm

M.K. Petrik says:
What if his son grew up to be gay, how would Hardaway feel then?

Feb.15 at 6:06 pm

Chris C says:
exactly why its ignorant. why do people not see that? its ignorant to be white and go nuts when your daughter brings home a black man, just the same way.

Feb.15 at 6:23 pm

Boyd says:
Fuck me. What a tit. First of all, the most obvious comment is; can a team full of white european players ask for a black guy to be traded because he makes them uncomfortable, and then justify it by saying ‘what’s the problem? i just hate blacks?’ Acceptable? I think not. Disgusting? I think so. Second of all, it must fucking suck to be that stupid, I’ve just re-evaluated my life and now consider intelligence to be more of a gift than dribbling a basketball. And thirdly, fair play to all those who have said ‘what’s religion got to do with it.’ For fear of being as offensive as timmy (though not as ignorrant) Who needs lessons from a book 2000 years old? It used to be legal for Roman men to a**rape their male slaves when the ‘good book’ was written, which should prove the the values of the time aren’t quite applicable today. Also, the ‘good book’ was used to justify human slavery in general for millenia. God damn. I doubt Kobe is a bender, but Gilberts ‘overcompensation’ in what is obviously is a massively homophobic world is an interesting theory…

Feb.15 at 6:31 pm

Reggie Evans says:
Yes, homophobic = ignorant. Yes, yes, yes.

Feb.15 at 6:35 pm

1hush D says:
Hey Chris C, Christianity is still #1 in America. Organized religion is the tool used to flame the fan of hatred against gays in this country. That may or may not be Tim’s thing. Haggard prayed himself straight? Embrace your inner aethiest now.

Feb.15 at 6:37 pm

Boyd says:
Second of all, from a foreigners perspective, it is people like Hardaway (but mostly Bush) that give America its bad name of generally being a land of ignorrant half-wit f*cks who cause many more problems than they solve. I know that’s not the case, but more people hear Tim Hardaway than me. Lets get him in the ring with my fellow Britisher Amaechi’s 6′10 270 and watch him take Tim’s head off. Though I don’t think john would go for that somehow.

Feb.15 at 6:50 pm

DBlizzy! says:
While those comments were ignorant, and i don’t support them, isn’t it a little refreshing to see someone actually give their honest opinion? While everybody else is saying the politically correct thing, you know half of them feel exactly how Tim feels. Ray Allen pretty much made the same comment, just using non-inflammatoy language, and nobody said anything.

Feb.15 at 6:55 pm

Chris C says:
1hush D: yeh im glad im in canada, but we have christianity all over our politics too lately. and im a total athiest. i went to catholic school, and it killed it all for me pretty fast. i feel bad for any non christians in the states, or god forbid muslims. we deal with it in canada, but it doesnt affect major policy or our constitution too often. i mean how are stem cells evil? ok im gonna get on a lot of topics here

Feb.15 at 7:21 pm

1hush D says:
I guess I am intolerant of the intolerance. And intolerant of the religous agenda. And intolerant of free speech when it is based on discrimination or hate…sorry, the comments were not refreshing but depressing. I will grant you that they were real and I don’t want the intolerance in the closet. I am so intolerant of the way the U.S. acts that I am thrilled to be going to Canada next week for some skiing, not just because the skiing is great but because my dollars will go to Canadians over the American economy. I hate my government and my ignorant family who are religious zealots that voted for Bush. Wow, Timmy, this feels really good. “All that hate is gonna burn you up boy” “It keeps me warm”
Red Dawn

Feb.15 at 7:35 pm

Darksaber says:
the outrage in here over Mr Utep’s comments are even more amusing than a has been proclaiming to hate homosexuals. Hmm, so if two ladies were to offer a make out session in Timmy’s hotel room, i’m sure he’d decline, seeing that he hates em and all. Whatever, he spoke his mind, y’all hate him for it, fine by me. Ryan, Mutoni and co. ripping poor Nas a new one was hilarious though.

Feb.15 at 7:39 pm

Darksaber says:
And Russ, if say Kob’s came out, all star caliber player he is, believe me, magic’s statement is gonna look like peanuts compared to that. Amaechi admits and the (american) press is going gaga, and you really, really wish a top ten player would out himself?

Feb.15 at 8:02 pm

J-Bird says:
I hate anyone whos had pre-marital sex. Hey, its in the bible.

Feb.15 at 8:13 pm

Harlem_World says:
Homosexuality is not the same as race. Stop that shit. Stop it now. Too many of y’all have been using that ’same as white people calling blacks n-word’. NO IT ISN’T.

Feb.15 at 8:32 pm

mutoni says:
tim hardaway: The Movie. Thanks to nbx.com for emailing this over.

Feb.15 at 8:34 pm

Blue says:
I wonder if anyone is going to read John Amaechi’s book or just skip to the part where he openly admits to something that doesn’t really matter in the grand scheme of things? And if ESPN isn’t against it, then why are they making such a big deal out of it? Why ask a question that’s potentially inflammatory in the first place? What is the purpose of the media?

Feb.15 at 8:53 pm

DP says:
When I first heard this from Tim Hardaway, I couldn’t believe what I was hearing. I have loved Tim all my life and I always loved watching his crossover. Tim was like an role model to me. But this is where I have to disagree with him fully. What Tim said is just why America is so messed up in the first place. Yes, I believe that everyone is entitled to their own opinion but if you don’t have anything nice to say, then just keep it to your damn self. Tim is not sorry. I know he isn’t because if someone talks about gay people with that much hatred, anything apology that come out of his mouth is a damn lie. If I was Amaechi, I wouldn’t accept it. Tim should have just left it alone when the guy asked him the question. Instead, he let his emotions get the best of him and he exploded. Tim cannot do anything to stop gay people and neither can I. He just has to accept that fact of life and live with it. We do live in America right? The best country in the world where in our constitution is says that we are all equal. I don’t agree with what gay people do, but that does not mean I am going to treat them like trash and commit hate crimes. I would treat Amaechi like anyone else, with respect. That is all I ask for. If you respect me, I will respect you. More and more people are coming out of the closet because they are tired of hiding and I would damn well be like they would. Who even cares that Amaechi is gay? No one does! So why even worry about it. Tim should just shove his comment up his ass because he wouldn’t have even gave a damn if he found out that Beyonce was a lesbian and was dating Halle Berry. PLAY WIT IT.

Feb.15 at 9:34 pm

Matthew says:
A lot of Christians are just as dumb as Tim Hardaway when it comes to topics such as these and I agree that these “non-educated” Christians throw flames on the fire. But it’s not like the Bible should be discarded b/c it’s old. I’m not trying to argue religion with anyone, but the Bible tells you to love one another. These so-called “Christians” who don’t understand that and are “gay bashers” are just ignorant. Like Michael Richards was ignorant. Or Mel Gibson was ignorant. We’ve got to forive them and go on. Treat others how you want to be treated and respect one another. Just b/c I don’t agree with what you do with your lifestyle doesn’t mean we still can’t be friends or be cool!!! Regardless of skin color, sexuality, whatever, if you treat me with respect then I’ll do the same for you.

Feb.15 at 9:41 pm

Shiz says:
Goddamn. I’m on my kick and I think I got carpel tunnel from the scroll ball. But, listen. this is america right? So everyone’s entitled to their opinion, right? So I respect timmy and how boldly he proclaimed his disdain for homosexuality. Cuz, um….. everyone’s entitled….RIGHT?
He looses me by apologizing. If u feel uncomfortable wit that shit SAY IT! Don’t come out wit that p.r. shit…be real. I respect that above EVERYTHING ELSE. If u don’t agree with some shit, let it b known if u aint a coward. I don’t have a problem with gay’s as people, but why is it ok for gays 2 come out and not the decenters. And don’t give me that race shit either cuz racism is a far bigger and historianically greater issue (I think I just made up a new word….HOLLA). I love me some SKIIIIILLZ. And I’m all for activism. So I respect each person for being so adamant about their views. All I can say is “‘live and let die”. Do u and don’t hate….this message has been brought to u by u’r friends here at G.T.P. We grind like whoa to get it poppin like WOW. Respect is the bottomline issue. I respect though I’m leant toward timmy more that john-boy.

Feb.15 at 9:58 pm

grant says:
So its not cowardly to say your homophobic? Smells like some flawed logic bro.

Feb.15 at 10:16 pm

Ryan Jones says:
Hush: That Red Dawn reference made my f*cking night. “Revenge me son… REVENGE ME!!!” That still might be my favorite movie of all time.
Reggie: I just wanted to make sure you were still paying attention. And you are. Thank you.
Harlem: Same? No. Similar, in a lot of ways? Yes, undeniably.
And Russ: No doubt. That’s the only way it’ll matter. The dream would be if AI came out… the amount of soul-searching by SLAM readers after that announcement would be remarkable.

Feb.15 at 10:28 pm

Old School Baller says:
The whole scenario is much ado about nothing. First of all, I barely remember John Ameche. It never did anything of note in the league. Secondly, Tim Hardaway is retired. The media made this a story. They blew it up to try to get someone to take the bait and get a “beating”. I did not think someone would go for the okie doke but Hardaway was silly enough to go for it. Now they are dragging his name through the mud and the NBA are distancing themselves from him. Also, given the fact that he is African American, this gives someone the carte blanche to imply that black people are prejudiced so it is okay to (i) discriminate against them or (ii) make racial slurs towards them. This whole scenario was the media attempting to create some drama and now they have a former pro athlete to give it some sizzle.

Feb.15 at 10:54 pm

James says:
this is not shocking. there are many homophobic people especially in the black community. i am black. pesonally i have no problems with gays but i dont like certtain aspects of their lifestyle. no one can change the way he feels. that may be something he should have kept to himself though. many people probably feel the same way but they just feel that the would be out of place openly saying that they hate gays.

Feb.16 at 12:08 am

I Hate Fags says:
Tim Hardaway just became my hero!!!!!!!!! Yes, Timmy just opened the door for anyone in the NBA to come out and say shit about these fags. Personally, I hate queers, and if I could, I would put em all in a hole and light those suckers on fire and enjoy watching them die, as would Timmy and a whole lot of other good folks. Also, that peice of shit commissioner Stern can stick it cuz he is forcing players currently in the NBA to keep their mouth shut. What if, lets say, Dwayne Wade or Lebron James came out and said they hated fags too. What would Stern do then? Jack shit, thats what cuz they make him too much money selling out stadiums and selling jerseys. Stern firing Hardaway was a peice of shit move but Hardaway will spark players in the NBA to really speak their mind. Keep on talkin Timmy, Ive got ur back

Feb.16 at 2:15 am

1hush D says:
yo, IHF, thank you for that insightful contribution. Your conservative use of exclamation points is inspiring. Let me add to your point about Timmy being a pioneer. You too are a pioneer. You have opened the door for other homosexual-hating bigots reading this to speak up and join your parade. I hope you have room for all of the people rushing to join you….I mean you would not want to get too close.

Feb.16 at 2:18 am

Hit me up says:
Hey Chris C. Racisim and and homsexuality are on toatly different levels. Sorry you can’t compare the two. Dont even go to that level its not possible.

Feb.16 at 2:22 am

1hush D says:
Oh yeah, H World, you are right, it is not the same. Black people can get married in the U.S. but gays cannot. Look, don’t get bogged down with the comparisons…discrimination is unjust across the board. I am going to go to war on the side of the gays, the people of color, the environmentalists, and the poor. If bigots are found they can wise up or pack it up and get the f**k out. Those are the backs I have IHF.

Feb.16 at 2:25 am

1hush D says:
IHF, I did not realize until just now, how homoerotic your statement of having Timmy’s backside sounds. Please go on.

Feb.16 at 2:50 am

sean patallas says:
Stupid tim, really stupid. I dont really care what you think one way or the other. I dont car where you live or what your dogs name is. I dont care how much money you or any other pro makes per year. That stuff is private. No one else should care either so it is wrong to even ask you these types of questions. That being said you should have just answered “I have an opinion on the matter but it is only my opinion, and I choose to keep it to my self”. What if a gay fireman saved your family from a burning building? Would you still hate him? I think not. No one not even a guy with the best crossover of all time should generalize and hate any group. people are people some good and some bad. Apologize again Tim and make it real this time, for your own sake. End of lecture.

Feb.16 at 2:59 am

Russ Bengtson says:
Considering that Meech is getting more attention now than he EVER got as an active NBA player, I expect more retired role players to come out of the closet any day now—whether they’re really gay or not.

Feb.16 at 3:17 am

ziad bastami says:
i can not beleive this america!
if one person go out of the closet and claim he is gay, you say it is freedom of speech!if another one goes loud and say he hates them, u all want to kill him! what hepocrits all of you are!
let me tell you something, 1st of it is unhuman to be gay! ok! human beings are to be married from the other sexe just to keep the human race clean and keep on producing life on the crappy old earth we live in! gays and lesbos are those who are on the wrong side of the street! they drive the way up, when it is down!
to go and say it is civil or this is today’s world, nop! when i see that, when i see that the wrong is being right, and vise versa, i go crazzy! i respect amechi strength to admit, but i respect more timmy to say that!
life is full of hidden gays, and i find it unhealthy for them to stay hidden, but i can not imagine being with them! killing them? well that is too far! i would not do that! i can not kill people, maybe it is me! but every life form on earth has the right to live, and die in the end, when GOD wills it!
timmy, spoke his peace, respect it, admit that it is not wrong to hate gays, he is free of what he thinks, the guy is straight, and he is dissgused by the gays,so what!? accept it! ok!
peace! and let us talk hoops in here!
p.s.: lamar ain’t gay! what ever you think!

Feb.16 at 3:50 am

Harlem_World says:
At the rate they are killing hardaway right now? He may need to ‘come out’ to have any chance of continuing to make money out of the media.

Feb.16 at 3:50 am

Larsylad says:
Something did give. My respect for you. Dumbass.
I really dont know how the fuck you can be this stupid? OIne thing is to feel this way. Another is to tell the world. Yeah yeah yeah, stand for what u believe and all that crap. I hope you have gay family that you don’t know of. (I’m straight but I’m not scared to death of gay people.)

Feb.16 at 4:00 am

Froggiestyle says:
One Love People. Go grab a book and learn some history. Read some Malcolm - we’re all one minority or another - love yourself, love your brother, universal brotherhood. If you can’t see that you got problems son. One love. Peace

Feb.16 at 4:28 am

UhHuh says:
Tim Hardaway proved his ignorance and prejudice with his harmful, hateful words. As a public figure he should realize that his words affect more than just those around him. And he is going to pay for those words as he has lost his endorsement. It’s sad that a player with so many fans, myself included, could act in such a way that has made many dislike him, again, myself included. Get a grip, Tim. No one cares what you do in your personal life, so you shouldn’t give a damn about what others do in theirs.

Feb.16 at 6:55 am

Patrick says:
TimBug is still my favorite player ever but I wish it wasn’t him who said these ignorant things. BUT if we can cheer for a rapist (24, nanny stopper) and a murderer (ray lewis) and a wife beater (ason) and adulterers (led by jordan, but pick’em) and cancerous narcissists who are barely competent (TO) - can’t we forgive a guy who spoke his true feelings for a little pub? We can’t. because gay marriage is the new black rights in america. people are suing to be allowed to marry in CATHOLIC CHURCHES !
how ridiculous is that - can I sue Islam for not letting me eat pork? don’t get me wrong, I’ve definitely have/had my share of homosexual friends - but the radical left-wing posturing has to stop somewhere.

Feb.16 at 7:01 am

German Reignman says:
this taken driectly from your All-Star flashback for 2006: “We hopped a cab and got downtown (about 15 minutes away) to the player’s hotel for the media day stuff. From getting out of the cab to getting to the media room, I saw: Sean May, Brand Jordan guru Gentry Humphrey, Moses Malone, Mark Jackson, Bill Walton, Clyde Drexler, Charles Barkley, Dominique Wilkins, Quentin Richardson, Oscar Robertson, Rory Sparrow, Sheryl Swoopes (and, um, companion), Melyssa Ford and Rolando Blackmon. That’s just what All-Star is like.” so everybody except swoopes was there all by themselves ? or just going for the quick joke ? This is a good example for the underlying haterism in society where your sexual orientation - once it deviates from the “mainstream” - turns you into a target …..

Feb.16 at 7:07 am

German Reignman says:
or is it in the same category as the following, also taken from ASG 2006: “I said, “Nocioni runs funny.” Khalid responded, “He’s from another country.” sexual orientation, nationality, skin color …. whats your stand: f… em if they can`t take a joke ?

Feb.16 at 7:39 am

mike buie says:
When keeping it real goes very wrong..lol.

Feb.16 at 7:51 am

Pete says:
Great Tim,
You’ve just proven that your just as bigoted as some Klan members.
congratulations u f****** moron. I hope people around u grace u with the same respect u give them. Now u get to live with these asinine comments for the rest of your life. Instead of remembering u for your crossover, we get to remember u for your stupidity. (Guess u had kind of a “Michael Richards,” moment.) Nicely done.

Feb.16 at 9:26 am

Gilbert0 says:
German Reignman I totally agree, total hypocrisy. I am sick of everyone saying how enlightened and tolerant they all are then castigating anyone who doesnt follow that line. The liberal media cant help but try to show what a bunch of caring, sharing, feel the love types they are, (see Gene Wochnarjski’s column on ESPN today) but reality is there are a lot of people who for whatever reason don’t like gay people. Now you can argue their reasoning, call them ignorant but they are the reality. Hompohobia is a strange term as well, it has somehow come to represent the general discrimination of gays, but it really means fear. I know you can argue a lot of prejudice comes from fear but it seems like mister UTEP two step just flat out doesnt like gay people.

Feb.16 at 9:43 am

Ryan Jones says:
German, I didn’t write that, but I’ll cosign Lang’s word (which is rare for me, admittedly)… I LOVE making jokes based on racial, ethnic and sexual stereotypes. Few topics are funnier. What matters is A) knowing your audience, B) making sure it’s equal opportunity, C) knowing which lines not to cross and D) most important by far, knowing the truth that lies behind the jokes. The fact is, Swoopes had fairly recently come out when Lang wrote that, so it was topical, and it was worth a cheap one-liner. Just like Khalid’s one-off shot of xenophobia. I know Lang, and he’s not a homophobe. I know Khalid, and he’s not a racist (although he does have a Race Drawer, but I’ll let him explain that one day…) When I’m with black friends, we make jokes about CPT and pink people. When I’m with gay friends, we joke about how they don’t know anything about sports and I don’t know how to dress. I tease my fat friends about being fat. I tease my dad about getting old. I tease my Mexican aunt and and cousins about being Mexican. And they all tease me back. You feel me? This isn’t just harmless, it’s actually HEALTHY — dialogue, honesty and all that good stuff. Otherwise, seriously, what the hell is left to joke about?
Damn Germans are so uptight….

Feb.16 at 9:56 am

Ryan Jones says:
And you too, Gilbert0. We definitely agree that there are a lot of hypocrites in the media and everywhere else, but otherwise, your logic is empty. If I tell you that for whatever reason, “I just don’t like black people,” are you cool with that? Or do you recognize the absurdity in blanketing a huge group of people as one unit that you can pretend to rationally “like” or “dislike”? It’s hate, man, and it’s poison, and it cannot be justified by any weak attempts at reason. Anyway, I’ma have Sam ban you for life for using the phrase “liberal media” in your post. Dummy.

Feb.16 at 9:58 am

mutoni says:
i hate sam smith. is that specific enough for ya, ryan?

Feb.16 at 10:19 am

Gilbert0 says:
Ryan, please illustrate where I said I was cool with what Hardaway said and yes, It is stupidity to simply dislike a group of people based on a common sexuality, race or whatever. Saying you hate all gay people is like saying you like all straight people. When did I attempt to justify hatred of any kind? I find it as sickening as you do and I behave in a similar fashion as you described in your other post when I am hanging out with gay friends. All I was saying that for every educated, tolerant person (who are disproportionately represented in the media) there are a lot of uneducated bigots. My point was that will continue to be the case no matter how many columns are written. Calling me dummy was a nice ending though, appreciated. Stupid Americans.

Feb.16 at 10:22 am

Rick Kang says:
Look — having your own opinion is fine. No one says you have to like gays or homosexuality. But the issue here is tolerance. Tolerance isn’t acceptance — who can stop you from having hateful opinions anyway? — but it is the bare minimum we expect from citizens in civilized society. Respect is something everyone deserves — unless you don’t give respect in turn.

Feb.16 at 10:38 am

Gilbert0 says:
Nice post Rick, I wish I could articulate things that well.

Feb.16 at 10:57 am

Froggiestyle says:
Ok, this thread is officially dead. It’s time Stephen Colbert give it the caring treatment it deserves. I mean who else says “liberal media” besides him?!?!? girlfriend please! Oh and in support of these comments, Imma go out and see at least 2 supadupa faaaabulous showtunes - The Producers anyone? ;P

Feb.16 at 11:06 am

1hush D says:
Ziad, I don’t think anyone wants to kill Tim for what he said nor is questioning Tim’s right to say what he thinks. while many are disappointed that he said it we are glad that he expressed his homophobia so that more than us, his friends will educate him. Yes your God doesn’t like Gays, someone elses God doesn’t like your God. We defend our rights to believe and say most anything but that does not make what we say just or logical. And given the cruelty that humans have exhibited to others over the years…well, that is why we must continue the dialog even if we surpass RJ’s Outro post. Thanks for participating.

Feb.16 at 11:08 am

1hush D says:
Gilbert0,
We would have no discussion if Tim had said I don’t like so and so’s attitude. Or, I think he is an asshole. Can we all just get along and celebrate the Laker losing streak?

Feb.16 at 11:26 am

Gilbert0 says:
Good idea, it is one thing we can unite in. I just cant believe all the attention John Ameachi coming out has got.

Feb.16 at 12:18 pm

DBlizzy! says:
Russ
The thought of retired has been’s confessing thier fictional gayness to get back in the limelight is hilarious. Anyway, why does everyone attribute being a homophobe and a biggot to being ignorant and uneducated. I’m pretty sure there are Harvard grads out there who are homophobes and racist’ and i’m sure it’s possible for someone to know everything about homsexuality and still say they hate gay people.
At the end of the day, that is just one person’s opinion, it doesn’t make them ignorant or uneducated, they might be, but there is not a direct association. There are similarities between racism and homophobia, so to me, if someone says they hate gays, it’s the same as them saying they hate black people. It’s still just one person’s opinion.

Feb.16 at 12:35 pm

1hush D says:
A bigot is a bigot because of the bigot’s opinion. A homophobe is a homophobe because of their fear and well, sure their opinion as well. None of it is based on fact although one could argue that pigeonholing and stereotyping can play into both and we all rely upon that sort of categorization. I sure like AK 47’s move to invite Amaechi and a partner to a party. Did they play ball together? And yes Amaechi is getting a great deal of attention. But I am not buying the book…just talking about the issue. He is getting more attention than money.

Feb.16 at 12:37 pm

Ryan Jones says:
Yeah, picking on the old bald guys. That’s why I love you Mutoni!

Feb.16 at 1:37 pm

Anthony Cash says:
What does Hardway’s race have to do with anything? Wow there really are alot of ignorant people on both sides of this thing. Hardway’s approval of someones sexual liking or disliking has absolutely nothing to do with liking or dislike a race of people. To even compare the two ignores the struggles of blacks, jews, and any other race of people who have endured hardship. No one should hate anyone, but you damn sure don’t have to like everyone or like the things they do. Especially in what is suppose to be their private or personal life.

Feb.16 at 2:31 pm

Cheryl says:
If you think about it, it really isn’t Amaechi getting the attention as much as is the topic of accepting the fact that human sexuality includes homosexuality. That human sexuality as a topic of discussion is one that has been taboo in our society and that the sports world is not only a representation of hyper-masculinity, but that the sexualizing of sports figures is an uncomfortable proposition. As one of my favorite Linstigators says: “play wit it”…

Feb.16 at 2:59 pm

Patrick says:
“accepting the fact that human sexuality includes homosexuality. That human sexuality as a topic of discussion is one that has been taboo in our society ..” Playing devil’s advocate here, but human sexuality also includes pedophilia, the oldest pastime in the book. Beastiality and polygamy too.. will the time come when they are norms? Tim Hardaway is entitled to his feelings but his mistake was using the word “hate.” While his words were reprehensible, I half admire the fact that he called himself a homophobe, because he must have had some inkling of the fallout. In a society where everyone claims to be tolerant, admitting one’s prejudices publicly is the first step towards a dialogue to solve the facade.

Feb.16 at 3:10 pm

mutoni says:
patrick, that was…deep. respek!

Feb.16 at 3:38 pm

Ryan Jones says:
Patrick, you are fired from life. Do you really need me to explain that bestiality and pedophelia (not to mention things like rape, aggravated assault and purple nurples) are immoral primarily because they involve one person doing something to another person (or animal, I guess) doesn’t want done to them — they involve VICTIMS, in other words? And a consensual homosexual relationship, just like a heterosexual one, does nothing of the sort? Are you truly so stupid that you don’t see the difference? Having made the comparison, I’m guessing that yes, your are. Also, polygamy is a social/cultural issue, not some sort human sexual quirk. Mutoni, I know I shouldn’t have bothered, but F*CK, man. This sh*t is exhausting…

Feb.16 at 3:40 pm

mutoni says:
i don’t know why you do it to yourself, ryan. but it makes me smile, so don’t ever stop.

Feb.16 at 3:40 pm

Ryan Jones says:
And Gil, I’m sorry — I definitely should’ve saved “dummy” for Pat.

Feb.16 at 4:13 pm

Cheryl says:
thank you, Ryan. I couldn’t have come back better. besides, i’m at work and i can’t monitor this as much as i’d like.

Feb.16 at 4:26 pm

Patrick says:
Ryan, I don’t work/live/do anything for you so there’s no reason need to punctuate your rebuttal with irrelevant nonsense such as “you are fired from life,” or calling me names. I’ll admit that my pedophilia comparison was impulsive and flawed -
but said it yourself: “polygamy is a social/cultural issue, not some sort human sexual quirk.” If Shawn Kemp said “I hate monogamists, they disgust and frighten me” - would he face the same outrage? Or, more seriously, if Jerry Sloan said “I hate polygamists.” The same holds for homosexuality. If someone famous in Iran or South Korea, said the same words - no one would blink. I’m not saying that their conservative cultures are correct. But our Western custom, of overcompensating in every which way (do we HAVE to teach homosexuality to 6 year olds? Is it really that big of a deal?) against what know is wrong, does not necessarily make us right. An example is affirmative action - good intentions with questionable results. We don’t have it in Canada, (thankfully we have equal opportunity instead), but it exists in some forms in the US, and I would even say is still required in a place like South Africa. Keep the discusssion going but leave the insults for the schoolyard.

Feb.16 at 4:27 pm

mutoni says:
ooohh….im giddy.

Feb.16 at 4:36 pm

Ryan Jones says:
I’m at work too, Cheryl. Slow day.
And yeah, Patrick, you’re right: If someone in Iran said they hated gays, there probably wouldn’t be as much outrage. Also, I think they still cut off people’s heads there in public executions, which is also acceptible. And last thing (I promise, Mutoni, I PROMISE), I haven’t been 6 years old for a while, but I don’t remember anyone “teaching” me homosexuality then, or at any other point in my education.
Buttface.
I’M OUT LIKE JOHN AMAECHI.

Feb.16 at 4:45 pm

mutoni says:
i failed my homosexuality class. the final exam was a real pain in the ass. (winner=me!)

Feb.16 at 4:58 pm

Buddy Love says:
Tell em like it is Tim!

Feb.16 at 5:11 pm

patrick wont be silenced says:
Ryan, I didn’t know you were running a fascist regime, but after seeing my new comments censored I realize that you should stick to writing about hoop. Instead of cutting off the other person’s mic in the middle of an intellectual debate, think twice before you step up. Namaste.

Feb.16 at 5:15 pm

Chris C says:
i think i was taught it was awful when i was 6 by classmates maybe? maybe that was later.

Feb.16 at 7:19 pm

Anthony Cash says:
Patrick, Good luck with leaving the insults in the schoolyard, because the gay rhetoric can not sustain itself without insults and twisting of the truth and lables such as homophobe, ignorant or bigot. If you ever debate with one of these individuals you will soon see that there isn’t a bigger bigot than a gay rights advocate. They are anti-religion, anti-traditional family, and anti-heterosexual. The goal of the gay movement is to make sexual preference as much like race and gender as possible. Comparing it to any other sexual orientation or preference is something that they will try hard to avoid. Your comparison is only flawed in that pedolphiles are drawn to unconsenting childrem rather a consenting adults. Thats only were your argument is flawed, but the comparison to race or gender are flawed on many levels. These people are attempt to redefine sexual morality, but to do so they must distance themselves from other sexual groups that are also considered deviant. Under their new definition any sexual activities among consenting adults is considering acceptable, that is as long as those consenting adults aren’t related.

Feb.16 at 8:30 pm

Rudy says:
Dr. Kinsey says every human being swings both way. I think it’s fair to say that most people who expressed extreme hatred toward gay people are somewhat overcompensating for their shortcoming.
I used to like Tim alot when he was playing with Zo in Miami. He was great, but this is a pretty boneheaded comment. But I am grateful for it, because when both parties (being the gay atlhete and gay hater athlete) expressed their view, it will only lead to dicussion. Tim’s fired for being an ass. Shutting him out from any NBA related jobs because of his comment is harsh. But just like any workplace, I bet you’ll get fired if you get on the office PA system and declaring that you hate gays, and personally hate working with gays. race and sexual orientation is not the same, but they have similarities. There’s been gay bashing, black bashing, gay murders, lynchings. Everyone who says that you can hide being gay is baseless, because being a gay person means that one have a certain needs, wants, and impulses that’s pretty hard to hide.

Feb.16 at 8:50 pm

cam says:
Tim’s awesome for speaking his mind, I’m tired of everyone having to be careful what they say when in reality their true feelings never get exposed. Props to Hardaway.

Feb.16 at 10:00 pm

alist says:
for the record consesual does not totally equal moral and where are the liberals that preach free speech all the time. They were certainly there for evryone throwing stones at any right winger. If its because it was offenive there are many things that are offensive. What are we ginna take away from you when I’m offended.

Feb.16 at 11:40 pm

RS says:
It’s been hard not to notice that the TV news analysis of Tim Hardaway’s hate rant has often been so incredibly lacking. I suppose this shouldn’t be a surprise, considering how the American sports media mostly mishandled John Amaechi’s coming out in the first place. Kenny Smith and Charles Barkley, on TNT’s prominent NBA broadcasts, took the cynical approach (one they curiously intended as the high ground) that NBA players don’t have issues with gay teammates and that Amaechi’s only reason for coming out was to sell a book. Charles, never the sharpest tool in the shed, was unwilling or unable to take the issue beyond this superficial, preposterously presumptive thought (and by the way, Charles, every appearance you make on TV pads your pockets, too; does that mean we should dismiss your diatribes as pure money-making schemes?). NBA players may be progressive compared to the neanderthals in the NFL and MLB, but not by much. All three leagues feature culturally c