October 18, 2008 8:00 am  |  247 Comments

SLAMonline Top 50: Amare Stoudemire, no. 9

The definitive ranking of the best players in the NBA today…

by Holly MacKenzie

Tell Me I Can’t. I Won’t Hear You.

Over the course of both, life and basketball career, there has been a lot that Amaré Stoudemire has decided not to hear. Sometimes this is good, sometimes this is bad, but always this is Amaré. It is he who has gotten himself to where he is today, and it is he who will help or harness himself from making it to the top of his potential.

Amaré Stoudemire is a man. Of course we know this obvious fact, but it needs to be said once more. The guy is a beast, a monster and a man. He can be your dancey, dancey friend on an animated TV show because he is this man. Get his eye poked and end up making goggles a hot accessory because he is this man. He can go without playing defense and still be no. 9 on our list because he is the man.

Amaré has never been a boy. This is partly due to his ridiculous frame and never ending athleticism, but also because he was forced to become a man far before the transition naturally took place. Another basketball player; another story of making it against the path placed in front of him. Father passing away at age 12, mother in prison, six high schools and he only started playing basketball when he was 14 years old. Didn’t matter. Just like in the Nike ad, where an intense looking Stoudemire looks into the camera and growls, “Tell me I can’t. I won’t hear you.”

Pairing the rough and tumble, powerful play of Stoudemire with the smooth style of Steve Nash has benefited Stoudemire’s development more than all the coaching in the world. The combination of the two is dizzying, as Nash can find Amaré whenever he gets open, and all Amaré needs is for the ball to be brought within his vicinity. From there, he has the athleticism and intelligence to put points on the board.

Becoming the first player drafted straight out of high school to ever win the Rookie of the Year award, it was apparent early on that Amaré was something special, but it was during the 2004-05 NBA season that he put together what would serve as the defining series of his career so far. Western Conference Finals. San Antonio Spurs. Tim Duncan. Amaré ends up averaging 37 points over five games as he single-handedly threatened to destroy the Spurs. While the Suns ended up losing the final battle, Amaré’s message reverberated throughout the NBA. Tell me I can’t, I won’t hear you.

Of course, just as his career started with bumps and bruises, Amaré again had to overcome obstacles. This time, health issues. A knee injury. A terrifying microfracture surgery. An entire season off with a long and intense recovery and rehab schedule in front of him. Doubters began to chirp, haters began to sing and Amaré, he chose to remain silent in the background because he couldn’t hear any of the negativity.

Microfracture surgery did not seem to impact Amaré. Maybe it was his positivity and his focus on shutting out the negative, or maybe it was a case of divine intervention by way of the tattoo inked onto his neck, but he was back and flying just as high and as strong as before. When Amaré Stoudemire dunks the ball, you feel it. Not just the excitement, but the dunk. From your seat in the arena, from your couch at home, you can feel the rim shaking, feel the collective gasp as all 10 players and three referees are frozen, watching the man elevate and throw the ball through the hoop. You feel the ground shake just a touch as Black Jesus comes back to Earth.

And when he is unable to deliver and get the easy two points by way of the dunk? Well, he shoots a solid 80.5% from the free throw line. You can go ahead and heckle him while he’s at the line, but he won’t be affected by your jeers. Yeah, you already know why.

With career averages of 21 points and 9 rebounds per game and a ferocity that can only terrify when a defender sees him charging full out towards the basket, he has endured many challenges and changes over the course of his career in the NBA (going from having Stephon Marbury as your point guard to Steve Nash must have been an interesting switch). Amaré has always managed to triumph and come out on top. Sure, he needs to improve his defense and become more of a presence. Sure, he has things to learn about being a leader. Regardless, as the season unfolds this year, he is a bit wiser, a bit leaner and a bit hungrier, still. There are many who believe he will never be a winner because he doesn’t play on both ends of the floor. To those people, Amaré only smiles while urging them to go ahead and tell him he can’t. Just know that he is preoccupied with winning and he won’t hear you.

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  • jon con Posted: Oct.18 at 8:09 am
    first

  • niio Posted: Oct.18 at 8:09 am
    Please make some effort on the defensive end and show the world just how dominate you can be.

  • underdog Posted: Oct.18 at 8:09 am
    Amaré is top 10, no doubt.

  • Camb0dia Posted: Oct.18 at 8:16 am
    just glad hes not above TD although i cannot see for the life of me why pp is ahead of him and amare, pierce is top 10-15 not this high

  • Darksaber Posted: Oct.18 at 8:34 am
    Ladies and Gents, STAT, your MVP of the Microfracture Surgery all stars… twice. Great spot for Amare.

  • davidR Posted: Oct.18 at 8:34 am
    amare the beast! while i miss his insanely ferocious dunks pre-injury, i’m glad he developed solid post moves and doesn’t rely too much on his dunks after injury. 1) lebron 2) kobe 3) chris paul 4) dwyane wade 5) kg 6) paul pierce 7) tim duncan 8) steve nash

  • davidR Posted: Oct.18 at 8:35 am
    hmm.. number 8 became a smiley face with sunglasses. thats what i think the rest of the list is going to look like according to slam..

  • Darksaber Posted: Oct.18 at 8:36 am
    Oh man, the first PP comment already?? Haterade is spilling fast. Can we get his ranking already Ryne, so commenters can slowly start lamenting the main event? Bron, Kobe, CP3 deserving of top 3, why in the the history of mankind is Flash not making top 5 etc…?

  • davidR Posted: Oct.18 at 8:36 am
    oh and great write up holly! this is a very respectable spot for amare

  • mat smith Posted: Oct.18 at 8:36 am
    “one word to describe my game? just one word? FORCE” I so missed seeing Amare at the olympics, but the season is here now so lets go, ever sinced he developed that sweet J last season he has OWNED, top 10 easy, top 3 by 2010

  • Jim Mora Posted: Oct.18 at 8:44 am
    “Amaré ends up averaging 37 points over five games as he single-handedly threatened to destroy the Spurs”. Actually the spurs chose not to double team him and let him have his points, while shutting down the other players. They were never threatened.

  • Jim Mora Posted: Oct.18 at 8:45 am
    he’s good, though ;-)

  • baron samedi Posted: Oct.18 at 8:46 am
    pierce over amre? nah dont think so.. take away last season for pierce and he is no more than top 20.. bull poop i says

  • scott Posted: Oct.18 at 8:47 am
    Getting Shaq to Phoenix has made Amare the most dominating big man in the league (on offense). However, it is sad Stoudemire can’t play defense. This may be a bit high for Amare. I’d take Howard, Williams, Nowitzki and Giniboli over Stoudemire.

  • Simone S.Y Lawy Posted: Oct.18 at 8:55 am
    No PP again, what da …..

  • Simone S.Y Lawy Posted: Oct.18 at 8:58 am
    1.kobe 2.leboom 3.cp3 4.kg 5.TD 6.nash 7.Dwade 8.PP … … plus, PP is overrated, he doesn’t deserve to be in top 15.

  • Simone S.Y Lawy Posted: Oct.18 at 8:59 am
    Holly is here finally…

  • LAN Posted: Oct.18 at 9:05 am
    top 10 for sure. nice article and all……….. but howard should be above and nash below ATM

  • James the balla Posted: Oct.18 at 9:26 am
    OMG lol is PP actually number 1????????

  • mike Posted: Oct.18 at 9:28 am
    1.lebron 2.pp 3.kobe 4.cp3 5. td 6.flash 7.kg 8.nash.amare is way too overrated. he is better than howard

  • James the balla Posted: Oct.18 at 9:29 am
    And Lebron cant be first with Kobe winning MVPS and with Kobe still in the league. I hate to tell ya’ll. I know SLAM won’t get off Bron’s jock at all, but the best player in this galaxy is Kobe, not Bron. Bron hasnt developed a good jump shot yet. Great player, but not number one yet. Sorry bandwagonb1tches!!! Stay on that Bron train though, im sure his boxer/briefs has enough room for all of you!!

  • Joe_6Pack Posted: Oct.18 at 9:30 am
    Good write up, I’ve always love amare’s game he is always dominating the low block and just raining down dunks after dunks, but in order for him to win he needs to be sorrounded by a team of defenders and he needs a better point gaurd.

  • Simone S.Y Lawy Posted: Oct.18 at 9:32 am
    @mike, i don’t get it…(amare is way too overrated. he is better than howard).???

  • James the balla Posted: Oct.18 at 9:34 am
    I was wondering the same thing lol

  • slamsucks Posted: Oct.18 at 9:34 am
    a little high

  • Simone S.Y Lawy Posted: Oct.18 at 9:35 am
    I’m with James the balla…Kobe’s number 1, Leboom will never be NO 1 as long as kobe still in the league.

  • scott Posted: Oct.18 at 9:36 am
    Dwight Howard > Amare Stoudemire

  • Nikos Galis Posted: Oct.18 at 9:36 am
    @James….:an easy way to figure out that somebody has no clue of this game is to see him placing Lebron over Kobe. I have a list with all the kids (not in age terms but in bball maturity) that have Lebron over Kobe just for future reference…

  • Nikos Galis Posted: Oct.18 at 9:38 am
    too bad we will never see the best of Amare….anyone who saw him the last year before his injury can see that he doesn’t have the same explosiveness…

  • James the balla Posted: Oct.18 at 9:41 am
    So are you agreeing with me Nikos?lol i think thats what i got from your comment!!

  • James the balla Posted: Oct.18 at 9:43 am
    But yes, the people who put BRON over KOBE. haha. They are just doing it for argument sake because they hate KOBE. Or they had a FAVORITE player, than everyone got on BRON’s jock, and they followed. KOBE is and should be number one on this list. And if he isn’t. I may not visit SLAM ever again!!

  • Nikos Galis Posted: Oct.18 at 9:44 am
    @James….:yes.

  • James the balla Posted: Oct.18 at 9:46 am
    Thanks BRA … goonie goo goo

  • Nikos Galis Posted: Oct.18 at 9:50 am
    @James….:the only guy that can seriously challenge Kobe for no-1 in this list is Starbury…basketball wise, Lebron ain’t even top-5. But he is so effective due to his suspect atletisism that you cannot leave him out of the top-3. Add to this the funbase of this forum and he becomes automatically no-2(moving him to number 1 to please the little kids here would result to a D.Stern intervention…).

  • James the balla Posted: Oct.18 at 9:55 am
    lol well i agree with everything except the Starbury comment!! But yes, because of how many BRON fans there are, it makes him high on this list. But Starbury? lol

  • Nikos Galis Posted: Oct.18 at 10:01 am
    @James….:Starbury is one of my favorite cartoon heroes of all time, his whole NBA career deserves the “unintentional comedy OSCAR”. honestly i follow every new story on him on the internet. The guy is a rare genious!!!

  • el-bot Posted: Oct.18 at 10:01 am
    two things i don’t get;
    • why is everyone so mad at PP’s potential ranking [he still may NOT be top 50.....]? comments about having only one good season, he’s had many a good season, but safe to say this was his best. and the surely this list is based primarily on the previous season, and finals mvp is a pretty strong argument.
    • wade seems too high to me. i definitely think dude is good, but hasn’t been THAT good [if playing] since their championship. i’d like to hear some unbiased opinions on these

  • rob stewart Posted: Oct.18 at 10:01 am
    Great write up and position for Amare. It almost makes up for misplacing Iverson on this list.

  • Cupcake Posted: Oct.18 at 10:02 am
    Amare is a great player, glad to see he’s not ahead of Duncan. Not happy to see Pierce will be top 8. He’s not.

  • el-bot Posted: Oct.18 at 10:03 am
    i totally dig the list though

  • Nikos Galis Posted: Oct.18 at 10:03 am
    @rob….:agree, A.I. shouldn’t be top-35.

  • James the balla Posted: Oct.18 at 10:04 am
    el-bot … who said WADE was on the top 50?? O YEAH, we just know!!! PP will be on here!! I guarantee it, even though he doesnt deserve top 15!!!! I agree cupcake, i agree!!!

  • James the balla Posted: Oct.18 at 10:04 am
    el-bot … who said WADE was on the top 50?? O YEAH, we just know!!! PP will be on here!! I guarantee it, even though he doesnt deserve top 15!!!! I agree cupcake, i agree!!!

  • rob stewart Posted: Oct.18 at 10:14 am
    @Nikos Galis…Don’t get me started. The fact that A.I. is my favorite player often clouds my judgement but I am pretty sure he should have been top 10-15. I’m not trying to hear that non top 35 stuff. Even though I don’t like Kobe much I do agree with you that he should be #1. As far as basketball talent and ability he is #1 hands down.

  • Nikos Galis Posted: Oct.18 at 10:16 am
    @rob…:a mature answer.

  • James the balla Posted: Oct.18 at 10:16 am
    I agree Rob … i would have put A.I. around 10th. Above Manu, Melo, Amare, PP, Dwight!!! And KOBE SHOULD be number 1. If he isnt im interested to read the article on BRON because it would be my last article i read on this site lol.

  • rob stewart Posted: Oct.18 at 10:22 am
    I don’t even think LeBron is a lock for the #2 spot. I think CP3 has to be seriously considered. LeBron has more commercials and was even on SNL but I think Paul is dangerous when it comes to making a team better and maximizing his ability. Bron will probably get the #2 spot because he’s bigger, stronger, and a marketing icon but if Slam gives the spot to CP3 I won’t be mad at all.

  • James the balla Posted: Oct.18 at 10:22 am
    CO-SIGN rob!!

  • rob stewart Posted: Oct.18 at 10:26 am
    I’m done writing for today. I usually get clowned on this site but today people actually agree with me. I’m going to retire while I’m on top. Thanks for all of the support. LOL

  • James the balla Posted: Oct.18 at 10:30 am
    lol i hear ya Rob its like that for me too. I think its because i dont agree with everything SLAM does and says. And the people who “ride jock” all day get upset at that lol. Good luck witht he retirement. Ill catch ya back here when 1 and 2 come out and we can clown some folk!!

  • Nikos Galis Posted: Oct.18 at 10:30 am
    @rob…..:you have to be proud if you are usually get clowned here..!! i agree on CP3. Duncan should also be over the “KING” (by the way, king of what..??)

  • overtime Posted: Oct.18 at 10:48 am
    Good article, but i would much rather have Superman over Amare, the defense is just shocking

  • Nikos Galis Posted: Oct.18 at 10:55 am
    @overtime….:and the absense of offense is even more shocking…(see, you can play “D” just by being tall and super-athletic, but you need “skills-effort-hours of practise” to develop an offensive game..) so no20 would be fitting for “SuperGoof”

  • Niio Posted: Oct.18 at 11:16 am
    I really don’t know what all the Lebron hate is about. Sure he’s isn’t at Kobe’s level right now but he’s only 24. How many 24 year olds are at Lebron’s level?

  • Niio Posted: Oct.18 at 11:18 am
    @Nikos Amare is tall and super-athletic, so for him to not play D is just an excuse..

  • htyz Posted: Oct.18 at 11:25 am
    hell,James, nice jockriding on your part. and Paul is the true mvp.

  • Ryne Nelson Posted: Oct.18 at 11:33 am
    @James: Those are some strong words regarding Kobe and LeBron…

  • Costa Posted: Oct.18 at 11:34 am
    I see most people think cp3 should be number… I love the guy but I honestly think Wade deserves that spot, he is obviously a bettr player than CP3, we’ll see this season since WADE is back, and with a good cast.

  • Nikos Galis Posted: Oct.18 at 11:41 am
    @Niio….:1)Amare isn’t as big as Howard and after his injury he is not that super-athletic anymore(at least he seems to be more cautious..) 2)don’t be fulled by statistics (hard thing to do in this forum..)and think that Howard is that great a defender. He basically does what Amare does (jump-jump=rebounds & blocks)with slightly better results because of his superior physical skills. The Gasol brothers useded him over & over .And although this is ok to come from Pau(much better player than Howard overall) it was a surprise to see it by Marc…

  • Niio Posted: Oct.18 at 11:55 am
    If they used Howard like that imagine what would have happen to Amare. Amare is still more athletic that 90% of the NBA

  • Niio Posted: Oct.18 at 11:58 am
    I didn’t say he was a great defender, I just said he at least applies himself to defense

  • James the balla Posted: Oct.18 at 11:58 am
    @htyz - Chris paul or PP is the true MVP specify? @Ryne - Strong words for strong reason!!

  • Nikos Galis Posted: Oct.18 at 12:03 pm
    @Niio…:anyway, none of them has the skill level of Pau so you are right,it would have been no difference.

  • James the balla Posted: Oct.18 at 12:03 pm
    Everyone is always all over BRON for this and that. Saying he is the KING, for the christ sakes the man has Chosen 1 on his back lol. What is he the King of so far? I do agree he is great for being 24 years old. But the comparison for and against Kobe and Bron are way different. Put Kobe in Brons spot, and you have the best rookie season of all time. Kobe came into a LAkers team that made the playoffs a year before. They had what, 50 wins? And how many games did Kobe Start his first season? 6 i believe … Bron started like 69 games he played in. Kobe actually had to work for his spot!! Plus he played with Shaq which menat Kobe had the ball probly 30 percent to 40 percent less than what Kobe did when he was 24. I could go on but im sure by now people are writing why i know nothing about basketball lol… Jukai?

  • James the balla Posted: Oct.18 at 12:05 pm
    * Bron did when he was 24*

  • Niio Posted: Oct.18 at 12:05 pm
    Then again.. Pau isn’t really a great defender either. He was killed in the finals by the Celtics frontline.

  • Klayko Posted: Oct.18 at 12:09 pm
    Amare doesnt play much D; I hate to admit it as much exciting as he dunks the ball on the offensive end Id like to see more defense out of him this season

  • Kieran Posted: Oct.18 at 12:09 pm
    Amare is def a top 10, would like to have seen him slightly higher to be honest. He was an absolute monster second half of last season…scoring at will. Look for an improved defensive player this year. @James, Bron didnt need to earn his spot as he was already good enough. Kobe is obviously better as of right now but Bron is much better for his age.

  • MeloMan13 Posted: Oct.18 at 12:09 pm
    it not too late for Jr smith to be rated is it?…dammit

  • Niio Posted: Oct.18 at 12:10 pm
    I do love Pau’s passing though

  • Simone S.Y Lawy Posted: Oct.18 at 12:11 pm
    James is right, but those kobe haters just don’t get it. LEBOOM, KING OF BOOMMM…

  • Simone S.Y Lawy Posted: Oct.18 at 12:13 pm
    @kieran, if kobe didn’t play with shaq, share the ball with him, he’ll be the best af all time.

  • Niio Posted: Oct.18 at 12:16 pm
    If Josh Smith just cracked in the 40’s then I don’t think JR would make it at all.

  • James the balla Posted: Oct.18 at 12:17 pm
    Thanks for the no homo love SImone!! lol king of boom … hmmm, good enough or 2nd spot?

  • Michael Tillery Posted: Oct.18 at 12:18 pm
    Good work Star Child. I felt this piece.

  • Niio Posted: Oct.18 at 12:21 pm
    If he didn’t play with Shaq he wouldn’t have 3 rings..

  • James the balla Posted: Oct.18 at 12:22 pm
    @Niio … so he wouldnt be great because he wouldnt have three rings?

  • James the balla Posted: Oct.18 at 12:23 pm
    @Niio … because if thats what your saying, than Lebron isnt even close to great yet!!! Your are you not saying that and your just coming up with argument because you love Kobes game but just want to drink some haterade?

  • namik Posted: Oct.18 at 12:25 pm
    Good choice. Great piece. Brons going to be no.1, Kobs 2 and CP3-3. Doesnt mean its right, it just is.

  • Nikos Galis Posted: Oct.18 at 12:26 pm
    @to everyone too young to know…:Kobe at 24 was WAY more complete-better than Lebron at 24. Of course he didn’t have the numbers of Lebron(he never had them,never will) but he was toying with the Pacers at the finals at the age of 22. At the same time the Spurs were toying with Lebron’s inability to shoot the ball at the finals when he was 22….maybe Lebron was a better highschooler or better at the kindergarden but i don’t remember Kobe at the age of 6 to compare…

  • MeloMan13 Posted: Oct.18 at 12:32 pm
    james clearly has a man crush

  • Simone S.Y Lawy Posted: Oct.18 at 12:34 pm
    kobe is gonna be at top spot…, and ne will never be the second. GOT IT, for all kobe hater.

  • James the balla Posted: Oct.18 at 12:35 pm
    MeloMan … your good, i didnt think anyone would have seen it. Congrats!!

  • Kenny Anderson's Auditor Posted: Oct.18 at 12:40 pm
    HUH? How do you write a piece about Stoudamire without even mentioning his defensive strengths? Exactly. Because the doesn’t have ANY defensive strengths. Amare is a HORRIBLE team and man defender to all those who are drooling over his scoring v the Spurs, and his general unstoppability on the offensive end. Sure, I’ll give him that. But he still doesn’t have a go-to-move down the stretch of games. Back to defense, which wins things in the league and always has. He’s a liability, to be honest, and has no concept of defensive schemes. Terry Porter already talking about it in Phoenix and showing Amare’s videos of BUCK WILLIAMS! Until he can influence the game on the other end — like KG, Dunc, etc — he’ll always be second tier IMO. I’ll agree with those who say it’s also about will to play. You have to want to do it. And he hasn’t showed that he wants to.

  • j-smoov 5 Posted: Oct.18 at 12:43 pm
    He would be the top 2 maybe if he played defense at his best…Oh and @ Namik: Kobe’s gonna be number one…Did Lebron take the Cav’s to the finals this year?

  • einstein Posted: Oct.18 at 12:48 pm
    he’s better than duncan. too low.

  • James the balla Posted: Oct.18 at 12:57 pm
    Well im out … ill be back later, time to get some MRI’s!!! I expect this to be pretty far along in comments so make sure Kobe stays one, Jukai doesnt speak, and what up to BET!!

  • Nikos Galis Posted: Oct.18 at 12:58 pm
    @einstain….:i was waiting for this for about 2 hours!!you know what uncle Albert is doing in his grave every time you give us one of your “diamonds”….(Amare is better than Duncan only in dunk contests)

  • einstein Posted: Oct.18 at 1:01 pm
    ok. stoudemire is better than nash. he’s the suns’ franchise player. too low.
    @nikos: duncan is too old. TP is the spurs’ franchise player. even manu’s better than duncan.

  • James the balla Posted: Oct.18 at 1:03 pm
    omg lol einstein … change your name!!!

  • Nikos Galis Posted: Oct.18 at 1:15 pm
    @einstein…:the fact that Manu is better than Duncan doesn’t mean that TD is finished. TD proved once again at this years playoff’s that he can still turn it on for the big games. And he was better than Amare on the Spurs-Suns series. Amare is the Suns franchise player not because he is better than Nash but because of reasons directly corelated with the term “Franchise” (it is a business term,google it and you will understand)

  • scott Posted: Oct.18 at 1:30 pm
    Tim Duncan is still one of the top 5 players in the League. Have a little respect for one of the ten greatest players of all time and not to mention the greatest power forward in the history of man!

  • catalonian Posted: Oct.18 at 1:30 pm
    amare top 10? ridiculous!

  • Pve84 Posted: Oct.18 at 1:36 pm
    My cousin went to Cypress Creek High School with Amare Stoudamire before he was drafted. He asked her out and she said no. I still haven’t forgiven her.

  • Nikos Galis Posted: Oct.18 at 1:38 pm
    @scott…:exactly (although TD is closer to top-20 than top-10 all-time.)
    @catalonian….:Amare top10 and Pau not even top30. Where would you rank Splitter?

  • scott Posted: Oct.18 at 1:43 pm
    @Balki…I would like you to list 20 NBA players better then Timmy. Impossible.

  • scott Posted: Oct.18 at 1:45 pm
    Gasol shoulda been closer to #21 instead of #31 but such is life.

  • Moose Posted: Oct.18 at 1:45 pm
    OK, something’s wrong. Here’s what it is: Amare is better than PP, Dwight Howard is better than PP, PP is better than Steve Nash, Deron Williams is better than Nash as well, and Pierce and Nash both haven’t been listed yet. Nash and Pierce are overrated on this list, I think.

  • Moose Posted: Oct.18 at 1:46 pm
    scott, that would put him ahead of Bosh among others, and that ain’t right. Pau is WAY too soft.

  • Nikos Galis Posted: Oct.18 at 1:49 pm
    @scott…:my secretery(”flu”) is not around so no karma to you for the moment (keep on though)i can give you 11-12 “clearly” over him but not 20. Anyway, all those things are subjective…and Gasol is better than Amare.

  • Nikos Galis Posted: Oct.18 at 1:50 pm
    @Moose….:i suspect that you are a member of my “Lebron list”…

  • scott Posted: Oct.18 at 1:51 pm
    @Moose…Perhaps Bosh was too low on the list closer to the 13-16 range and I agree with you Bosh is better then Gasol.

  • scott Posted: Oct.18 at 1:51 pm
    Amare Stoudemire > Pau Gasol

  • Moose Posted: Oct.18 at 1:51 pm
    What is your “Lebron list”, Nikos?

  • Nikos Galis Posted: Oct.18 at 1:54 pm
    @Moose…:you don’t want to know…(ok, check my 9:36 am comment and laugh with it.)

  • Moose Posted: Oct.18 at 1:57 pm
    Ohhhh, man. That hurt. I AM on that list. Now you belong on my “Kobe list”, Nikos.

  • Nikos Galis Posted: Oct.18 at 1:57 pm
    @scott..:Dirk>Gasol>Yao>Bosh>Amare>Howard>α+(4x+β)

  • Nikos Galis Posted: Oct.18 at 1:59 pm
    @Moose…:i am “dying” to learn more about your “Kobe list” (hope its something really mean!!)

  • Moose Posted: Oct.18 at 1:59 pm
    Nikos, more like this: Amare>Howard>Yao>Bosh>Dirk>Gasol.

  • Moose Posted: Oct.18 at 2:00 pm
    Nikos, my “kobe list” was just a retort to your “lebron list”. It’s a list of people who haven’t opened their eyes to see that Bron>>>Kobe.

  • Moose Posted: Oct.18 at 2:04 pm
    So you a kid, then, in your eyes.

  • Nikos Galis Posted: Oct.18 at 2:05 pm
    @Moose…:you see, i knew it(that you belong)!!! (it was too easy though so no points for me). And you didn’t have to write the 1:59 comment. A member of the “Lebron list” thinks that Howard is over Dirk by default. (hope nobody saw me writting “howard>Dirk”…)

  • Nikos Galis Posted: Oct.18 at 2:06 pm
    I a Kidd!!!!

  • Moose Posted: Oct.18 at 2:07 pm
    Nikos, it isn’t by default that Howard’s better than Dirk. Howard is getting better and better every year, and the dude is just a beast. The guy can rebound, score and play defense, and Dirk can shoot, maybe some other stuff too.

  • Moose Posted: Oct.18 at 2:08 pm
    And stop looking down on me, Nikos. Respect everyone’s opinion, even a guy on your “lebron list”.

  • Nikos Galis Posted: Oct.18 at 2:12 pm
    @Moose…:i won’t enter a Howard - Dirk comparison for the same reasons i wouldn’t enter a Bird - Kemp comparison. I just don’t want to insult Dirk (although i am sure Dirk ain’t reading any of this)

  • Moose Posted: Oct.18 at 2:13 pm
    Nikos, Howard-Dirk is NOTHING like Bird-Kemp. Don’t think that, PLEASE. And why don’t you wanna insult Dirk?

  • Nikos Galis Posted: Oct.18 at 2:14 pm
    @Moose…:i honestly apologize if i made you feel bad.

  • Nikos Galis Posted: Oct.18 at 2:16 pm
    @Mooose…:cause he is bigger than me and i am afraid of beating me.

  • Moose Posted: Oct.18 at 2:16 pm
    It’s OK, I know you were just kidding. I ain’t sensitive or anything. It’s just, you know, you seem kinda close minded to people who think Bron is better than Kobe. But thanks for the apologies, though.

  • Russ Bengtson Posted: Oct.18 at 2:32 pm
    Now I’m hoping LeBron is No. 1.

  • Moose Posted: Oct.18 at 2:33 pm
    What makes you hope that, Russ?

  • Teddy-the-Bear Posted: Oct.18 at 2:34 pm
    Uhhh Moose, no. Actually, Yao > Dwight > Amare, in terms of CENTERS. But Amare may very well be a better player than Dwight, when he’s playing his natural power forward position.

  • Nikos Galis Posted: Oct.18 at 2:34 pm
    @Russ….:you don’t count Mr Russ(you would though if instead of “hoping” you were “believing”).

  • Nikos Galis Posted: Oct.18 at 2:35 pm
    @Moose…:Lebron gives hope to everyone!!!

  • Teddy-the-Bear Posted: Oct.18 at 2:37 pm
    Bahahaa Nikos says that Dirk and Gasol are better than Yao and Howard??? European fans make me laugh… Kindly. So does scott.

  • Moose Posted: Oct.18 at 2:37 pm
    And Kobe doesn’t, Nikos :).

  • Dwyane Posted: Oct.18 at 2:38 pm
    Bull Sh*T Steve Nash and Pierce are going to be way to high for this list and Timmy

  • Moose Posted: Oct.18 at 2:38 pm
    Teddy, I was talkin bout better players. Sorry if you misunderstood.

  • Nikos Galis Posted: Oct.18 at 2:39 pm
    @Russ….:I’ll take Lebron over Henry “no hope” Paulson everyday though!!!!

  • Josh D Posted: Oct.18 at 2:43 pm
    I think Superman ranks above STAT

  • damascus Posted: Oct.18 at 2:44 pm
    Nikos Galis… when kobe was 24…. he put up great numbers.. averging 30ppg…6.9rebs..5.9assits.. kobe always been a more complete player than lebron…but lebron is the mordern day of oscar robinson cause of the numbers he puts up…kobe is the mordern day of jordan..but not jordan..but he is cause of the skill set and the way he scores and the way he plays..kobe should be num 1.. 2007-08 season he was mvp,firt team defense,all-nba firt team unaminus..dominated the first three rounds of the playoffs averging 32ppg…6rebs..6assits..fg51% before finals..just couldnt get it done vs. the C’s even thou he put up few good games againts them..but gm 6 is what kills it..he got to the finals though..had better playoffs run than bron..1.kobe 2.bron………and so on

  • Nikos Galis Posted: Oct.18 at 2:46 pm
    @Teddy….:European fans would laugh also if U.S.A BASKETBALL had consulted guys with your deadly eye for talent to pick players for the natinal team(A.I.,Amare,Carter,Starbury,Hot Sauce,etc) .But they go with that Colangelo guy…

  • Nikos Galis Posted: Oct.18 at 2:48 pm
    @damascus….:agree, but again LEBRON ain’t even top-10 skillwise.He is top-3 for this league though for reasons a have repeatedly explain.

  • Z Posted: Oct.18 at 3:17 pm
    And they say Americans are self-centered… Wow, some Euro dudes on this board are off the hook. Those are the same guys that said that Sarunas would TEAR UP the L…

  • Nikos Galis Posted: Oct.18 at 3:27 pm
    @Z…..:Sarunas would have been great (not tear up the league though, he never had the required athletic skills to do so)had he came to the states from 2000-2004. When he came he had lost half a step something that proved fatal…But to anybody who knows a think or two on this game (and YES, Larry Bird is one of those guys, its not his fault that Artest proved to be ‘psycho’) Sarunas was top-5 point guard in the world at the beginning of the decade. Think of him as a bigger version of Nash(not as fast but a better leader-playmaker).

  • Nikos Galis Posted: Oct.18 at 3:40 pm
    …and speaking of Lithuanians: Siskauskas > Melo,Marion(ha,ha),Joe Johnson. E-A-S-I-L-Y.

  • Tekno Posted: Oct.18 at 4:29 pm
    >Western Conference Finals. San Antonio Spurs. >Tim Duncan. Amaré ends up averaging 37 points >over five games as he single-handedly >threatened to destroy the Spurs. While the >Suns ended up losing the final battle How can Amare signle-handedly threaten to DESTROY the Spurs when the Spurs beat the Suns by 4-1. They beat them in FIVE freaking games! Maybe, just maybe, the overall defensive scheme employed by the Spurs meant that they didn’t mind Amare going off as long as they kept Nash (relatively) quiet and Marion (definitely) quiet. > With career averages of 21 points and 9 rebounds per game Amare’s a big man right? So why in the world can’t he grab more than 9 boards per game with all that hulking power and athleticism that people drool about? It’s not like he’s been playing in a system that minimises the amount of shots attempted (and thus the number of rebounds available). Amare is not worthy of number nine.

  • davidR Posted: Oct.18 at 5:10 pm
    hey now, lebron may not have taken his team to the finals last season, but he ATLEAST pushed the champs to 7 games…

  • davidR Posted: Oct.18 at 5:10 pm
    …but then again, so did the hawks

  • LordKratos08 Posted: Oct.18 at 5:22 pm
    Very entertaining read Holly. I like how you keep it balanced both as a fan and as a spectator. Amare should be higher but you have a point, he should try to dominate on both ends of the floor. Since he started playing at the age of 14 and was Rookie of the Year in the NBA at 18, it’s fair to say give him some time. Next year I’m expecting to see him in your top 5, same as with Dwight Howard. Can’t wait for the season to start….

  • ♦MyKal♠ Posted: Oct.18 at 5:47 pm
    Nikos, Nikos, Nikos. I understand that some European players are incredibly skilled, (see Dirk and Pau, among others) but what criteria are you using to judge whether or not they (Siskauskas) are better than Melo, The Matrix or Joe Johnson. Is it personal opinion, racial bias (not racism) or just pure speculation and dont forget how incredibly talented the American trio are. Now Nikos considered yo-self skooled.

  • Teddy-the-Bear Posted: Oct.18 at 6:07 pm
    @ Moose: Well regardless if you’re talking about overall playing, then Yao still tops Dwight, considering they are both natural centers…

  • Teddy-the-Bear Posted: Oct.18 at 6:11 pm
    @ Nikos, what are you talking about? Do you even WATCH basketball, or do you pick European softies right off the bat and say they’re better than American ALL-STARS ?! I bet you’re a real joker, aren’t you? Okay man, you’ve fooled us once, stop it already.

  • Moose Posted: Oct.18 at 6:11 pm
    Maybe Yao tops Dwight. MAYBE. But this year Howard will show you how much better he his than the rest of the league.

  • tike Posted: Oct.18 at 6:11 pm
    STAT’S a beast and defintley is in the right ranking…loving this one SLAM….no bring on Paul Pierce cause he doesnt deserve less than 8

  • tinchek Posted: Oct.18 at 6:18 pm
    love that man

  • Terrell Posted: Oct.18 at 6:22 pm
    Did I just read this guy Nikoz say Lebron isnt top 10 in the league skillwise?….Every forum I read this guy talk like he invented the damn game and he doesnt really know what hes talkin about…..and stop talkin about foreign basketball no one cares cuz most of those guys are no good.

  • TADOne Posted: Oct.18 at 6:27 pm
    Holly, this was an excellent read. Kudos are due. Amare is a Man. He is so good sometimes that he makes me forget about Duncan and Garnett. The thing I love about him is the unbridled joy he seems to get out of playing ball. It is like he knows he shouldn’t be here after all he has been thru and is on top of the world playing a kids game. Thanks for this.

  • Moose Posted: Oct.18 at 6:44 pm
    TAD, makes you forget about Duncan and Garnett? Dude . . .

  • Moose Posted: Oct.18 at 6:49 pm
    Oh yeah, TADOne, nice pic on SKO.

  • Steph Posted: Oct.18 at 6:51 pm
    There is NO WAY Amare is better than Dirk. What the hell has Amera done that Dirk hasn’t? Dirk is simply better than Amare in every aspect of the game. Foolish.

  • TADOne Posted: Oct.18 at 6:55 pm
    How about average 37 points in a playoff series?

  • TADOne Posted: Oct.18 at 6:56 pm
    Moose: Yeah, I said it. When Amare is locked in, he is a BEAST (as Holly pointed out).

  • Nikos Galis Posted: Oct.18 at 7:02 pm
    @MyKal….:1)i consider my self skooled 2) Siskauskas was toying with Matrix&Melo&Jefferson when they were trying to guard him on the Olympics(2004).Of course this isn’t my criterion,just a memory. I’ll tell you this : Matrix could only dream of having Ramunas’ offensive game, Melo and Joe are no way the defender he was(ok,he is slightly past his prime now).On his prime he is a better-more complete player than all 3 of them. And he was a great athlete. Serious american bball guys know about him so when U.S beat them this summer easily on a friendly the head U.S scouter was saying that this win means nothing to him cause Lithuania kept its best player off the game (Sarunas and the well-known to the NBA fun Kleiza played in that game). Many European players don’t go to the NBA cause they make much more money here. Splitter(top-10 big man in the world now) would lose millions to wait the Spurs to pay him like the NBA All-Star that he is. Others just find the style of game played there silly(Diamantidis).
    @Teddy….:to the “European softies” comment, i remember Colangelo saying after 2006 that “well,one of the reason we lost is that the international game is tougher than the NBA something that will sound strange to many funs in America”. He was talking about you pal..
    @Terrell….:we talk when U.S. regains the top of the world and not just a tournament in 8 years. Until then Argentina is the best bball nation in the world (The FIBA rankng takes in consideration all major tournament in the last 8 years from men to juniors and not just a tournament). As Frank Sinatra would have said to you and some other videogame kids here: “use your mentality,wake up to reality!!!”

  • Nikos Galis Posted: Oct.18 at 7:04 pm
    Goodnight and dream on my little friends…

  • Nikos Galis Posted: Oct.18 at 7:07 pm
    and one more time (won’t be the last):
    http://www.fiba.com/pages/eng/fc/even/rank/p/openNodeIDs/943/selNodeID/943/rankMen.html

  • Teddy-the-Bear Posted: Oct.18 at 7:23 pm
    AHAHAHAAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAA Nikos is the funniest kid ever.

  • BETCATS Posted: Oct.18 at 7:32 pm
    Stack Mack whats good? In all serious, Holly, are you gonna do the post up this year? And good write up. Stoudemire is a force.

  • BETCATS Posted: Oct.18 at 7:33 pm
    Teddy, whats good. I am sorry if i p!ssed you off more than ussal yesterday.

  • LISTEN LISTEN Posted: Oct.18 at 7:34 pm
    ARE YOU KIDDING ME??? STILL NO PAUL PIERCE???

  • BETCATS Posted: Oct.18 at 7:44 pm
    This is in the NBA right now. Paul Pierce had a pretty good playoffs. I think that his rating is not 100% based on that, but it will be the main reason.

  • Hursty Posted: Oct.18 at 8:21 pm
    Overall, the first 50 comments on this thread were some of the worst I’ve ever seen by people who are just plain dumb or very biased in their ‘opinions’.
    Read them again and compare them to another top 50 thread.

  • Adam Posted: Oct.18 at 8:24 pm
    “From there, he has the athleticism and intelligence to put points on the board.” YEAH, HE HAS TALENT………yawnnn

  • Hursty Posted: Oct.18 at 8:36 pm
    @BET- Yes. Holly will be doing the post up again this year. Either Ryne or Ben (or both) said that she would be doing it this year. It was on some other top 50 thread they said it.

  • Moose Posted: Oct.18 at 8:59 pm
    Moose in da house, if anyone else is here . . .

  • Moose Posted: Oct.18 at 9:30 pm
    Guess not.

  • Terrell Posted: Oct.18 at 9:51 pm
    NIKOZ…..what the hell is a videogame kid?? I have kids that play videogames…..My son is playing his PS3right now….what the hell does that mean?…What does that have to do with disscussing basketball?

  • Terrell Posted: Oct.18 at 10:00 pm
    @Nikos talk to me when more than one-tenth of the ‘International Superstars’ come to the NBA and be more than role players,bench warmers, prfessional floppers and just all around softies..Good Evening.

  • sunburn Posted: Oct.18 at 10:14 pm
    I think this is a respectable spot for amare. But those of you saying nash is overrated. Please his resume dont lye.
    1.kobe
    2.lebron
    3.cp3
    4.duncan
    5.nash
    6.garnett
    7.wade
    8.pierce
    I agree with the top 8, besides pierce. Maybe a top 15.

  • James the balla Posted: Oct.18 at 10:20 pm
    Yo D Williams got injured tonight. SLAM, get on it!!!

  • D-Mac Posted: Oct.18 at 10:42 pm
    tell me ray allen is going to appear somwhere also i think d-12 is better than amare

  • Anton Posted: Oct.18 at 10:46 pm
    1. Rodman

  • Russ Bengtson Posted: Oct.18 at 11:20 pm
    Wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait WAIT. Tiago Splitter one of the top 10 big men in the WORLD??????? I might lose my ability to type capital letters again. Timmy, KG, Amare, Dwight, Dirk, Yao, Booz, Bosh, Brand, Pau. Not to mention Al Jefferson, Shaq, Sheed, Andrew Bynum, JO, Marcus Camby, Zach Randolph, Greg Oden. He’s better than all but nine of them? How about NO?

  • Teddy-the-Bear Posted: Oct.18 at 11:33 pm
    Haha its all good, BET.

  • scott Posted: Oct.18 at 11:58 pm
    Teddy I’m glad I can bring a little humor into your life.

  • Teddy-the-Bear Posted: Oct.19 at 12:47 am
    @ D-Mac: Ray Allen already appeared at around the 30’s, I can’t remember exactly which spot he was.

  • Teddy-the-Bear Posted: Oct.19 at 12:51 am
    Thanks, scott.

  • Hersey Posted: Oct.19 at 1:10 am
    I was tempted to say this is too low but Amare has to improve on defense. New coaching will help.

  • tealish Posted: Oct.19 at 1:20 am
    Nikos: You are crazy. To a certain extent, I agree with your Dirk defense. He’s definitely the most disrespected superstar I’ve ever seen. But your comments on Allen Iverson blow me away. I understand what you value. The teamwork, the basketball knowledge, the do-what’s-best-for-the-team-and-not-yourself approach — basically, what most European teams embody. I get it.
    But regardless how you watch basketball and what aspects of the game you find most important, saying that AI doesn’t deserve a spot in the top-35 is flat out stupid. It’s Palin-esque is what it is.

  • Jeter Posted: Oct.19 at 3:04 am
    If Amare only rebounds more, he is definitely Top 5.

  • Niio Posted: Oct.19 at 3:06 am
    @ Nikos: You are officially retarded! How is Tim Duncan only in the top 20 of all time? He’s the best PF of all time!

  • Nikos Galis Posted: Oct.19 at 4:47 am
    @tealish….:since you have managed to understand what i am talking about (you may laugh but it would take thousands of years for kids like Teddy,Terrell,Hursty etc. to do so ) then you can see that A.I. is not one of the top-40 players in the NBA in doing those simple things. And basically i value what team U.S, the Spurs,Lithuania, Celtics, Spain, Argentina,Pistons,Greece and all the serious bball teams of the last 10 years value.

  • Nikos Galis Posted: Oct.19 at 4:52 am
    @Niio…:Russell, Wilt, Kareem, Hakeem, Bird, Baylor,Magic,Jordan, Oscar, West. No top-10 for Mr Duncan.(I would propably take also Kobe,Moses and Thomas over him)

  • Nikos Galis Posted: Oct.19 at 5:03 am
    @Russ….:In order: Duncan,Dirk,Garnett,Yao,Pau,Bosh,Sheed,Splitter,Amare,Howard. Ofcourse you just wanted to show me that you know who Splitter is (by using also his first name you certainly convinced me) since by mentioning the legendary Z.Randolph and guys with zero proffesional games in their life you made it clear that you were kidding …

  • Big Time Posted: Oct.19 at 5:35 am
    KOBE IS #1

  • Big Time Posted: Oct.19 at 5:38 am
    SLAM IS NOTHING IF KOBE NOT #1

  • Nikos Galis Posted: Oct.19 at 5:42 am
    with some kids you have to start with the very basics but for my little friend Terrell i will try even this…So Terrell: There will never come the time when the NBA is going to be full of Europlayers because it is a different style of game specially oriented for the last 20 years towards one-on-one schemes, running and generally playing in order to expose the SUPER ATHLETIC ABILITIES of INDIVIDUALS(from time to time we throw in a Bird or a Duncan not to “lose it” completely).This happens because the leagues’ marketing observed that SUPER ATHLETIC ABILITIES(dunking like Carter and SuperGoof for example) is what pleases the biggest spenders of their target market (fellow kids my little friend) that don’t have yet the ability and bball knowledge to understand and enjoy the beauty of a Spurs or Lithuania game for example.Also the INDIVIDUALISTIC element is also important since it is in accordance with the general idea of the american dream: the poor young bro who finally MADE IT!!(what he MADE exactly..?to buy a Bentley GT in 10 different colors..GREAT!!) Those two elements of course aren’t in first place on the biggest-most important stages of World Basketball (worlds’,olympics) where we are able to see the best TEAMS in world (once again:bball is a T-E-A-M game..) compete every 2 years.

  • Kieran Posted: Oct.19 at 7:42 am
    On behalf of all Europeans can I just say that Nikos in no way reflects the views of the general public. Please stop

  • Terrell Posted: Oct.19 at 8:32 am
    Alright look Nikos…this is a forum about dicussing basketball and since I dont give a damn about Eurobasketball I dont think I should be belittled by being called a ‘Kid’ when i am a grown ass man who is married with ‘kids’. stick to the script this is about basketball which I love to debate about, not about what you see as basketball maturity. Besides, both me and Tim Duncan thinks FIBA ’stnks’.

  • Terrell Posted: Oct.19 at 8:45 am
    @Nikos I find a small contradiction in your argument because you say you are all about team ball but then you say you woulld put Kobe ahead of Duncan on the all time list. I didnt know Kobe was now thought of as the model team player now.

  • Nikos Galis Posted: Oct.19 at 8:53 am
    Terrell,Terrell….it’s just a basketball discussion (as you correctly said) so there is no need to put in front your kids when you feel that you ‘ve been left naked. I would never do this to my kids even if it was something more serious than bball….but,anyway, when little kids are put in-front of you…..GAME OVER.(except if you belong to the third reich…)

  • Nikos Galis Posted: Oct.19 at 8:54 am
    and don’t take that serious any stupidity i write…

  • Terrell Posted: Oct.19 at 8:55 am
    @Damn Nikos im sorry I frgot to respond to your rant about why the NBA will never be full of Europeans….I get that but it has nothing to do with the statement I made, which said most of the foreign players who are superduper stars over there come over here (To the play in the greatest league with the greatest talent) and are roleplayers and bench warmer. Face it Nikos, the fundamentals may be better in Europe but there is a HUGE talent gap.

  • Terrell Posted: Oct.19 at 9:00 am
    What the hell are you talking about Nikos??? You are falling right into my point…Dont call me a kid, or a videogame kid or none of that becsuse im to old for that….me mentioning my kids was just showng my age without telling it….and in what way am i nekad? Man u need to get it togther.

  • Nikos Galis Posted: Oct.19 at 9:03 am
    the fundamentals are definitelly better in Europe but there is still a visible talent gap(This gap ain’t what it was 15 years ago though).So basically you are right. The vast majority of the best bball players in the world is still in the NBA(26 of the top-30 players in the world are in the NBA. Check my list on of the following days) .

  • Wil Posted: Oct.19 at 9:53 am
    So, Nikos, how do you explain the results at the last olympics - playing under international rules, the USA slaughtered the best teams the rest of the world can provide(including mine). The opposing teams could choose to play any style of basketball they liked as long as they were within the rules. This decisive empirical test (in the best tradition of the scientific method - trial of theory by experiment) indicates the europeans or south americans, contrary to what you say, are way behind the USA in terms of ability to win basketball teams. This is also the pattern of the last 15 years of direct matchups, Argentina being about the only example in the last 15 years where the tables have been turned. Regardless of the other irrelevancies and fripperies you post, the stark fact is that head to head the USA has sounded beaten all comers for years. The euros can have all the team spirit and fundamentals they want but it still apparently does not win them basketball games against the american system. Care to even try to explain these facts?

  • Kieran Posted: Oct.19 at 9:59 am
    basketball and the nba is definately a more global game and may head further in that direction but i think you’d be lucky to have 1 0r 2 euros in the top 100 players. I’m not a euro hater either ive played all over Europe but youre euro tinted glasses and therefor arguments Nikos dont carry much weight im afraid

  • Kieran Posted: Oct.19 at 10:00 am
    *when i say euro players i mean not in NBA btw

  • Kieran Posted: Oct.19 at 10:02 am
    *your (rookie mistake)

  • Nikos Galis Posted: Oct.19 at 10:53 am
    @WIL…..:it is interesting that you post a comment that is full of false facts. I mean,with you i don’t even have to construct an argument,i just leave anybody with the spare time to google on the U.S results on the last 8 years. It is really original what you’ve done….

  • Terrell Posted: Oct.19 at 11:52 am
    If im not mistaken in internatinal play(Olympics, world championships etc) they play internationl rules, the same rules international teams play with all the time. Not making excses for the American teams but this is a drastic chnge.

  • Nikos Galis Posted: Oct.19 at 12:09 pm
    it is a drastic change towards better quality of bball. (although you mean that U.S teams can be partially excused to have some problems adjusting. And you are right.)

  • Wil Posted: Oct.19 at 12:26 pm
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_national_basketball_team Doesn’t look much like a record of failure, does it? Go on, show me any european team with a record nearly as good. Also, looks like no excuses need to be made regarding adapting to the international game.

  • Onions Baby Onions Posted: Oct.19 at 12:55 pm
    omg Nikos has been solidly posting on this thread for over 24 hrs.

  • Onions Baby Onions Posted: Oct.19 at 12:57 pm
    Also Nash should be top 5- the numbers don’t lie

  • Teddy-the-Bear Posted: Oct.19 at 2:38 pm
    @ tealish: I really want to know if Nikos believes that dinosaurs never existed.

  • Teddy-the-Bear Posted: Oct.19 at 2:39 pm
    OH MY GOODNESS, NIKOS ACTUALLY BELIEVES THAT EURO-LEAGUE IS BETTER QUALITY BASKETBALL THAN THE NBA. YOU’VE GOT TO BE SH!TTING ME.

  • Nikos Galis Posted: Oct.19 at 3:14 pm
    @Onions….:keep walking…

  • Nikos Galis Posted: Oct.19 at 3:22 pm
    @Teddy,Wil….:i can bother answering to Terrell but at least the man has a functioning brain. I know you feel ignored but somebody has to actually write something in order to wait a for a response. I mean , i honestly want to discuss with you but you got to give me something. HELP ME, TO HELP YOU!!!!

  • Nikos Galis Posted: Oct.19 at 3:29 pm
    And by the way: “I’m not going to sit here and say the players in Europe are better than NBA players, because they’re not in the sense you’re thinking. The NBA is full of freaks. Europe has few to none. But they simply don’t make mistakes. So in that sense, they are better. Cool.” GABE MUONEKE
    I am going to repost these words of a rather cultivated former NBA player(with serious Euro experiense) in this forum many times

  • Russ Bengtson Posted: Oct.19 at 3:38 pm
    Say what you want about Z-Bo, but he’s got an incredibly soft touch, can finish with either hand, has range out to NBA 3, and is one of the best rebounders in the League. He’s averaged 20/10 twice, and is a decent free-throw shooter for a big man. I know Zach Randolph, and Tiago Splitter is no Zach Randolph. And putting him ahead of Dwight Howard and Amare Stoudemire is ridiculous. Remind me not to pay attention to you ever again.

  • Nathalie Posted: Oct.19 at 4:07 pm
    did we really call amare “Black Jesus”??! lets not out-do ourselves…

  • Nikos Galis Posted: Oct.19 at 4:16 pm
    @Russ…:(maybe)you know Zach but obviously you got no idea who Tiago is…(too bad wikipedia doesn’t come with player video profile). Tiago can do almost anything Zach does(he doesn’t have a 3p yet but then no real big man needs to have), PLUS he is 7 ft ,very mobile, with solid post moves, a really good defender (hello!!)and a proven T-E-A-M PLAYER(i never thought that i would have to emphasize to you things i do for videogame kids here…).I promise you that Buford & Popovich have feelings on losing him this summer that they would never have, had they lost your favorite Z-Bo… And (as we came to the “kids” topic once again)funny thing is that while i usually refer to my fellow friends here as “kids” usually just to get into their nerves, you are the only one for which i have a kid picture on my mind when i see your name …(a scared kid with a ball in his hands that was pictured on a SLAM “6TH MAN” almost 10 years ago..really cute though)

  • H to the Izzo Posted: Oct.19 at 4:27 pm
    Tiago Splitter isn’t even better than Axel f*cking Hervelle.You,my friend are delusional.

  • Nikos Galis Posted: Oct.19 at 4:37 pm
    @H….:Axel ain’t bad.Ofcourse no comparison to Tiago or even Amare…maybe i’ll take him over SuperGoof (joking). Seriously Papadopoulos is much better than him(although his stint at Real didn’t help his case…).

  • H to the Izzo Posted: Oct.19 at 4:46 pm
    Papadopolous is good,probably could have made a decent NBA career had he tried-Garbajosa-esque,solid but nothing special.ANYWAY my point is that,Splitter isn’t even in the same stratosphere in terms of ability compared to the like of Amare,certainly not top ten.You talk a lot about skill and how players like Dwight aren’t very good basketball players.Remember that ridiculous athletic ability and strength are as much a part of basketball as dribbling,for big men that is.And I’m not dispelling him(Tiago) because he plays in Europe,I know that he has potential,but for him to prove himself as being top ten,wouldn’t he have to prove himself where the best talent is playing,not where the more polished brand of ball is played?Now,I must return to my video game,great research machines are those video games.

  • Moose Posted: Oct.19 at 5:01 pm
    Everyone check Hibachi! Click my name and read the Magic preview that I just wrote!

  • Nikos Galis Posted: Oct.19 at 5:11 pm
    @H….:i totally agree with your Papadopoulos assesment and with your ” ridiculous athletic ability and strength are as much a part of basketball as dribbling,for big men that is” comment. So,indeed Howard and Amare are propably better for the NBA.I never said something different, i said Tiago is no-8 in the W-O-R-L-D not in the NBA. How could i say such a thing since he ain’t even playing in the NBA….??!!!(ok,i could have said even that since everybody knows by now that i am retarded). I cannot forget Tiago keeping Tau all by himself into the game against a better overall team (CSKA) in this years’ semis. He has made solid improvment every one of the last 3 years. He is the best bigman in Europe at the moment.I also like Andersen and this b…..d Pekovic (plays for Panathinaikos..). And i should definitely try and spend some hours playing videogames since i use them as much…unfortunatelly there were no such things when i was growing up so maybe this is one more complex of mine… (where have you gone Dr Jung…?)

  • Nikos Galis Posted: Oct.19 at 5:11 pm
    Moose!!!!

  • Teddy-the-Bear Posted: Oct.19 at 5:30 pm
    LMFAO @ Nikos.

  • Nikos Galis Posted: Oct.19 at 5:31 pm
    @Moose….:i checked your preview and i think you did a good job. And although it doesn’t mean anything (as you already said)I really enjoyed your comment on “Superman”(….)having “the highest field goal percentage in all star game history, shooting .810″. I would like to play fantasy bball one day…(after i manage to understand how it works….)

  • Nikos Galis Posted: Oct.19 at 5:35 pm
    and rightfully so Teddy!!!(i mean, how could you do something,ANYTHING else….?)

  • Moose Posted: Oct.19 at 5:44 pm
    Thanks a lot, Nikos.

  • Moose Posted: Oct.19 at 5:45 pm
    Spread the word!

  • tealish Posted: Oct.19 at 5:51 pm
    Nikos: Dude, you are so far gone.

  • Nikos Galis Posted: Oct.19 at 5:53 pm
    @Moose….:well i am not sure this is a good idea…having in mind my popularity around here i think it’s better for you that i say it was the most pathetic preview i ever read !!! Keep on the good job tohugh. You are the “Ricky Rubio of previewers”!!!!

  • Nikos Galis Posted: Oct.19 at 5:54 pm
    @tealish….:what does that mean?(honestly i don’t get it…)

  • Nikos Galis Posted: Oct.19 at 5:57 pm
    Moose ,can you help me on this..?

  • Moose Posted: Oct.19 at 6:21 pm
    Nikos, maybe tealish is responding to your 5:11 comment, but I can’t tell cause I don’t know much about European ball. I don’t really know, either. And I’m just curious, what were you referring to when you called me the “Ricky Rubio of previewers”?

  • Moose Posted: Oct.19 at 6:22 pm
    Nikos, it means . . . well, basically totally w@sted, so I don’t think it’s a comment.

  • Moose Posted: Oct.19 at 6:26 pm
    *compliment, not comment

  • tealish Posted: Oct.19 at 7:17 pm
    No, Moose, I’m referring to his X:XX comments. They’re all crazy talk. There’s no logic, yet it’s a stance that clearly won’t be changed. AI not top-40? That’s when I know someone be poppin’ the pills.

  • Moose Posted: Oct.19 at 8:48 pm
    OK, tealish. I didn’t spend the time to read all of it, so I don’t know what anyone said, really.

  • chintao Posted: Oct.19 at 10:56 pm
    1. Amare is good, but he can’t carry Earl Monroe’s nickname. 2. Jesus was Black anyway, so writing “Black Jesus” is redundant. 3. James the balla Oct.18 at 9:29 am has no sense of irony, insofar as he is one of the biggest Kobe jockers on the Boards.

  • Russ Bengtson Posted: Oct.19 at 11:42 pm
    Did Earl Monroe get “Jesus” (with or without the “Black” part) tattooed on his neck? Yeah, that’s what I thought.

  • RV Posted: Oct.19 at 11:49 pm
    Anyone else want to join the fantasy league? 2 spots left. Post your email for the invite.

  • scott Posted: Oct.20 at 12:14 am
    Chris Paul is number one without a doubt. In fantasy basketball.

  • Hursty Posted: Oct.20 at 2:19 am
    Nikos is just a massive fail. Worst, most total epic fail in the history of failure. Worse than the Schliffen Plan, worse than Caligula, and barely, just barely worse than magicarp. Oh, and he is even worse than the Zimbabwe inflation rate. And that is saying a lot.

  • Wil Posted: Oct.20 at 4:18 am
    @Teddy,Wil….:i can bother answering to Terrell but at least the man has a functioning brain. I know you feel ignored but somebody has to actually write something in order to wait a for a response. I mean , i honestly want to discuss with you but you got to give me something. HELP ME, TO HELP YOU!!!! Hahaha, way to play the man and not the ball. If your style is typical of the euro-league, no wonder they can’t defend the USA well enough to win against them in anything other than the most sporadic fashion. Since your are apparently not so good on reading black and white answers to your questions, here it is again: If european basketball leagues are so good, why can’t their national teams beat the USA in head to head contests? If they don’t make mistakes, why don’t they win games head to head? To legitimately claim the euro-league play as superior to the NBA then you must cite EVIDENCE of this (wins vs USA), as opposed to your usual waffle about intangibles. Better players and better teams should win games. Why can’t any national team in the euroleage get near the USA?

  • chintao Posted: Oct.20 at 5:04 am
    Russ==> Just ’cause Earl didn’t know, doesn’t mean that we are bound to ignore the facts. I’d expect more from someone who travels under the guise of being a journalist.

  • chintao Posted: Oct.20 at 5:06 am
    The Dribble Dance sounds like something Phil Jackson does to clean food and grease out of his soul patch.

  • Dacre Posted: Oct.20 at 11:18 pm
    Jesus was from the middle east…whereby most people who say they follow his lead would probably label him a ‘terrorist’ and have him killed even today.

  • Anton Posted: Oct.21 at 12:12 pm
    anyone know why he wasn’t on Team USA this Olympics?
    thought he was in the FIBA tournament with the guys.

  • fab Posted: Oct.21 at 7:52 pm
    dudes an absolute beast!!

  • mizzou Posted: Oct.28 at 12:55 pm
    1.Kobe
    2.Lebron
    3.Duncan
    4.KG
    5.Nash
    6.Amare
    7.Wade
    8.CP3
    9.Yao
    10.Dwight

  • mizzou Posted: Oct.28 at 12:57 pm
    kobe is definitely the best today. duncan came above amare cuz of the championships. kg above amare cuz kg’s been there longer. but pierce definitely not in the top 15 at all. more like the top 25.

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