September 12, 2008 8:01 am  |  264 Comments

SLAMonline Top 50: Lamar Odom, no. 39

The definitive ranking of the best players in the NBA today…

by Holly MacKenzie

Limitless potential. Lackluster performance. Ridiculous skill set. Chronic underachiever.

There have been a lot of words tagged to Lamar Odom’s game, not many of them positive. When a player is as talented as Odom with as much promise coming out of high school in New York, all eyes are on them and the pressure is there not to fail. Disappoint. Screw up. Lose their way.

When you lose your mother at 12 and are being raised by your grandmother and want to make her proud, you’d think it would be easy to block out distractions and focus on the end goal. Sometimes, it is just the opposite that happens. Sometimes, is what happened for Lamar.

With the distinction of being named High School Player of the Year by Parade Magazine, the stage was set for him to go to UNLV. Only, that didn’t quite work out for him. The thing is, guidance doesn’t always come when needed and lessons are not usually learned the easiest way when it comes to Lamar. After ending up at Rhode Island and piecing together a great year, the Clippers drafted Odom, where he was hailed as the next Magic by a certain basketball magazine. When he ended-up being suspended twice for violating the NBA’s substance abuse policy, it appeared as though he’d need wizardry to help him achieve his potential.

The thing is, regardless of his struggles, his talent is so undeniable he does deserve a spot on a list such as this. A 6′10″ southpaw who can run the point with his court vision and game savvy will always find a way. Having the ability to put in back-to-back triple-doubles along with his unique make up also allows him extra chances – chances started making the most of as he has learned nothing lasts forever.

While he has dealt with death in his youth by losing his mother, the past few years have not been kind to Lamar. Losing both his grandmother (on her 80th birthday), and his own infant son (on the anniversary of his grandmother’s birthday and death), Lamar has endured challenges his critics couldn’t imagine. Having proven himself as a warrior by playing through physical pain, he has more than earned that title after dealing with the hand he has been dealt. When the game before brought pressure, it has now become the sanctuary that can begin to bring peace.

As the rest of the world was watching Pau Gasol slide into a vacancy left by Andrew Bynum, Lamar was finally getting a chance to breathe without the watchful eyes of the media observing his every misstep. While people wondered how he would adjust, he flourished with the freedom the new addition allowed for him and put together a solid season with the Lakers.

It’s taken Odom awhile to get comfortable both off court and on and now his best can begin to be shown on the floor. Yes, sometimes it looks like he wanders, but he’s still got a lot on his mind. While he creates match up hell for opposing coaches, what he needs more than most players is support. From everyone. That’s the only way to get him to play his best at all times and become the player he’s had the potential to be since the beginning.

With Gasol, Bynum and that guy named Bryant taking most of the spotlight, Lamar finally has the chance to truly shine. He has the combination of the right coaching staff, the supporting talent to help him and confidence from the best player in the game. Lamar Odom is getting there one day and one game at a time.

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  • Bryan Posted: Sep.12 at 8:03 am
    People are gonna be mad and disagreable about this.

  • Hursty Posted: Sep.12 at 8:04 am
    Holly. What a surprise :) A pleasant one at that! PLEASE do the post up again this season! Make it happen SLAM. Ryne, Ben, its on you fellas!

  • andrew Posted: Sep.12 at 8:04 am
    fist.

  • jgrey7 Posted: Sep.12 at 8:05 am
    I don’t understand how lamar could be ranked higher than billups and Rip. When those two consistently produce higher then Lamar ever does. I know lamar has more natural talent then them however he never utilizes it.

  • andrew Posted: Sep.12 at 8:06 am
    Lucky i wrote fist and not first. I think Rip is better than Lamar, but Lamar has so many intangibles. I don’t agree with this ranking, but then, I don’t really care all that much.

  • g-money Posted: Sep.12 at 8:07 am
    i cannot possibly imagine a reason for odom being above monta,jost,rip and artest
    this simply doesn’t make any sence to me, especially after him disappearing for big parts of the finals vs. celtics, although his talent is undeniable he is not the basketballplayer who is corner-stone material, like many other mentioned above, actually i would probably only rank him around 70, and i would say he is equal to caron butler in most ways…

  • fluxland Posted: Sep.12 at 8:08 am
    THE POST UP!!!! WOOT! WOOT!! Aaand all is right with the world.

  • Hursty Posted: Sep.12 at 8:09 am
    Best 4th option in the League right now. Better than anything the Rockets, Spurs or Celtics have ( except maybe Rondo) and he’s a better scorer than ‘that Prince guy’ from the Pistons.
    Whos the fourth option for the Clippers? or Warriors? Or Philly for that matter? Regardless, Odom is better than whoever it is.

  • Gerard Himself Posted: Sep.12 at 8:10 am
    nice work Holly. With Odom now moving to small forward, I wonder how he will hold up defensively, but as you said: he belongs in this list.

  • Hursty Posted: Sep.12 at 8:11 am
    @jgrey7- Chauncey hasnt come up yet, and will not for at least 14 more spots. A travesty if he does ( its true Shia/Bodie/Jb/other alter egos and piston haters).

  • Bryan Posted: Sep.12 at 8:18 am
    Based on skill set alone Odom is surely deserving of this spot even if his production doesn’t exactly warrant it, but same can be said for Jermaine O Neal.

  • Hursty Posted: Sep.12 at 8:21 am
    @Gerard- I think that Odom as a SF, will be fine defensively, hes got good length and nice footwork ( when he wants) defensively. IF IF IF Bynum returns to his early form of the 07/8 season then they’ve got interior presence as well as Kobe’s help D ( he rarely seems to play his man straight up anymore) in the passing lanes.

  • Gerard Himself Posted: Sep.12 at 8:21 am
    @hursty: who will be the fourth option on the Blazers?

  • MSkittle Posted: Sep.12 at 8:27 am
    I used to think he had all this “potential” too! But it’s been 10 years in the league already… He looks so tentative when he gets the ball these days too. No way is he as good as David West, Kevin Martin, or Michael Redd. Oh yea, and good job giving away who is nNumber 1 with the “confidence from the best player in the game” line lol.

  • Co Co Posted: Sep.12 at 8:32 am
    Great write up Holly! I still cannot comment on this list until I see it in it’s entirety. :) Which is seemingly several months away from happening…

  • Kadavour Posted: Sep.12 at 8:33 am
    In terms of RAW potential and basketball skills Lamar is top 10 in the league, but for some reason we don’t see that nautical star-shaved-on-head type enthusiasm from him EVERY game. Aside from some intermittent splashes of brilliance, he has generally failed that ability, so I can understand questions about his place on this list above some others.

  • WOOOZE Posted: Sep.12 at 8:35 am
    Gee above DWest… I dunno about that.
    I’m guessing Pau Gasol is still to come if Lamar is on the list.
    IMO West is better than both Gasol and Lamar

  • Froggiestyle Posted: Sep.12 at 8:37 am
    Odom - taking the definition of hot and cold to new levels

  • Hursty Posted: Sep.12 at 8:40 am
    THAT is a good question Gerard. Roy, Aldridge… Oden is a rook and its hard to tell how he’ll turn out and I take Bynum 3 times out of 4 over him. Fernandez is also in an awkward position. It took even Ginobli time to adjust (even though ARG is nowhere near EUR). Bayless is a rookie too, albeit a highly talented one. Batum will be the ultimate role player for them. Sergio Rodriguez is quality but not a dynamic scorer. I think personally that it’ll be Travis Outlaw. The problem with the blazers is that they’re almost TOO deep at every position. They’re also very young. Keeping young ego’s in check can be a challenge but they all seem to be screwed on right headwise. The thing McMillan will have to figure out will be how to play guys. Do they want to run? Do they want to use the various skill sets of the individuals to exploit mismatches? Or a combination of them? Who gets playing time. PT can be a major factor in determining spot minutes for players, who, in theit own right can be an individual star. Who earns Nates’ trust? Shows leadership? Develops ober the seasona and training camp? THAT is the real question. Who gets playing time at certain positions during the season?

  • mat smith Posted: Sep.12 at 8:41 am
    erm, lamar not better than rip, fact

  • Bryan Posted: Sep.12 at 8:47 am
    I can’t wait to hear Mr. I hate the Lakers Eboy.

  • Simone S.Y Lawy Posted: Sep.12 at 8:50 am
    he’s not better than west or rip…

  • Eboy Posted: Sep.12 at 8:51 am
    Ask and you shall receive. This seems about right for Lamar, maybe not over Rip though and a little bit south of Ron Ron. Holly, great job as usual.

  • Hursty Posted: Sep.12 at 8:53 am
    Michael Redd is really not the superstar people seem to think of him. If Kobe is rated no.1 overall this year and receives a 10 and I dunno, Chris Quinn is a 1 then Redd is only about a 7.5 or so. He doesnt create his own shot enough and appears as a glorified spot up shooter at times. He doesnt create contact in the lane and doesnt get to the line enough for a 83% free throw shooter. He came into the league as a strong defender as a 2nd round pick under Ray Allen. He was know for his DEFENSE of all things, not for his shooting. That is no longer the case unfortunately. He sacrificed one for the other and doesnt rebound well and is a poor floor general and ball director. He is NOT better than Hamilton. Odom is a 50/50 depending on how much of the moon is showing that night.

  • Michael Posted: Sep.12 at 8:59 am
    i like lamar here, really liked that heat squad pre shaq with lamar and wade..also michael redd is so far the last person i would want on my team from this list

  • Hursty Posted: Sep.12 at 9:09 am
    The heat pre shaq had Wade, Rafer Alston, Caron Butler, Haslem and Odom among others. I think I would take that team over the young 2000ish Clippers that also had Odom.

  • Russ Bengtson Posted: Sep.12 at 9:11 am
    My only concern with Lamar is that people are still gonna be talking about his potential when he’s 57 years old.

  • Eboy Posted: Sep.12 at 9:14 am
    Oh, and I’d still be willing to give up the Matrix for Lamar so that should tell you what I think of the dude. LO just needs the right place to showcase. LA is not it.

  • andrew Posted: Sep.12 at 9:19 am
    hursty @ 8:53 - I tried to say that the other day on Redd’s post, but didn’t quite meet the level eloquence that you displayed. take this as a cosign, and kudos to your research. I think my post was more like ‘Redd = ok-ish’.

  • Tom Posted: Sep.12 at 9:20 am
    when Odom’s game is running on all cylinders thats when the Laker offense is unstoppable….so I think that alone is reason to put him at this ranking…probably only Rip deserves to be higher. Nice write up as usual Holly.

  • andrew Posted: Sep.12 at 9:21 am
    Eboy - so he’d do well in Memphis? I think he needs to be a third (second at best) option for his game to really flourish. I can’t see his potential playing out if he were the primary focus of any team’s plays. He seems to work better, as Holly said, with Pau and Kobe taking more of the defensive focus.

  • Jukai Posted: Sep.12 at 9:23 am
    … Odom is better than Rip and Artest and JO?

  • Co Co Posted: Sep.12 at 9:24 am
    Hahahahah @ Russ. :)

  • andrew Posted: Sep.12 at 9:24 am
    Jukai - according to slam, yes.

  • andrew Posted: Sep.12 at 9:24 am
    just to clarify.

  • mat smith Posted: Sep.12 at 9:25 am
    he is like bart simpson “underachiever, and proud of it”

  • Eboy Posted: Sep.12 at 9:32 am
    You know where LO would be perfect? Detroit. Move Tayshaun, give the Pistons a big ballhandler in the open court (and take pressure off Chauncey), his post game is a little more expansive than Tay’s, he doesn’t really need to be a jump shooter in the Pistons offense since it’s predicated on ball movement and spacing more than the Lakers is (the triangle is all about that too, but Kobe’s freelnace work takes away from Lamar’s ability to do the same too) and sh*t, he’s ranked higher on the SLAM list!!!

  • Money Bill Williams Posted: Sep.12 at 9:34 am
    eboy: LO and sheed = chalmers & arthur situation

  • matt the jazz fan Posted: Sep.12 at 9:34 am
    so holly now that he’s the FOURTH wheel, “he finally has the chance to truly shine”? please explain… ’cause fourth wheels only shine in retrospect on title-winning teams in little sop-story segments.

  • WOOOZE Posted: Sep.12 at 9:35 am
    Potential aside, Lamar does not deserve to be ranked higher than West IMO, let alone 5 spots higher than him.

  • andrew Posted: Sep.12 at 9:35 am
    Eboy - that actually sounds like a pretty good move. Get Joe on the phone - he did say no-one was untouchable. Plus, I think the Pistons shirts would look good on him. And I’m not being sarcastic.

  • Bruno Posted: Sep.12 at 9:39 am
    thats a disgrace
    i like lamar and all, but he can’t be here
    everybody likes his skills, his kind of player, i even like his style, but he never translated that to the court and i think clutchness, desire, GUTS and willingness means too much for me in an athlete. not to say about consistency.
    last year he would be awesome cause he would be 3rd option… NO
    now he’s talked about cause he is gonna be a fantastic 4th option
    and you guys wanna throw him better than Rip
    thats more BULL$hlT

  • B. Long Posted: Sep.12 at 9:41 am
    Eboy:I’d take either one of those trades right now but I would rather have Tayshaun for his defense. God knows L.A. could have used his some of that in the finals. Joe Dumars would never let this happen though. I’d rather have Stephen Jackson too.

  • B. Long Posted: Sep.12 at 9:42 am
    LOL@Money Bill

  • Jukai Posted: Sep.12 at 9:44 am
    I think the problem is, everyone put Lamar at 45-50 but Holly put him at the number 4 spot so he was averaged down to this spot

  • Hursty Posted: Sep.12 at 9:46 am
    That’d be right Jukai ;)

  • scott Posted: Sep.12 at 9:47 am
    If we are going on potential Josh Smith should be in the top ten. If we are going on performance I’m not sure Odom should be this high? Does anybody remember the 08 Finals when he wet the bed?

  • Money Bill Williams Posted: Sep.12 at 9:53 am
    his pants weren’t wet, he just took them out of the vujacik too early and didnt put them in the dryer

  • TADOne Posted: Sep.12 at 9:55 am
    “Gather ’round party goers as if your still livin
    And get on down to the old Slick rhythm
    Now this one here is called the Ruler my dear
    Its a mere party booster that will set things clear
    Its a hundred percent proof from champions of truth
    And if you feel you need spirit I’ll bring back your youth
    Relax your mind, and folks unwind
    And be kind to a rhythm that you hardly find
    And off we go, let the trumpets blow
    Well hold on, because the driver of the mission is a pro
    The Ruler’s back”

  • TADOne Posted: Sep.12 at 9:56 am
    That was for Holly. Great job as usual. It appears LO has timeless potential.

  • scott Posted: Sep.12 at 9:58 am
    @Tadone…so Odom is number 39 based on potential not his actual performance? If that is the case Josh Smith and Kevin Durant should be top ten.

  • scott Posted: Sep.12 at 9:59 am
    I don’t have Andrew Bynum in my top 50 but I’m starting to think he might make this list. Anybody else feel this way?

  • Hursty Posted: Sep.12 at 10:00 am
    Slick Nick huh TAD?

  • Russ Bengtson Posted: Sep.12 at 10:02 am
    Lamar averaged 13.5 and 9 in the Finals, which—while under his season averages—weren’t THAT low. Not to mention he put up 18.2 (on 59 percent shooting) and 11.7 in the semis, which were both well above his season averages. He doesn’t play like that against the Jazz, maybe the Lakers never reach the Finals to begin with.

  • Hursty Posted: Sep.12 at 10:02 am
    @Scott- nope. He played 2 months of good double double basketball. There are other centres who gave the same. Not top 50, he hasnt done enough.

  • Z Posted: Sep.12 at 10:03 am
    I wish that people would start judging Lamar for what he is. The guy’s not a rook anymore, eff potential. He’s a very good rebounder, can handle the ball from time to time, has nice court vision and can be a decent 3rd or 4th option on a good club.
    I feel that some guys get enamored with the whole match up problem thing. Would you rather have a match up problem that’ll get you 15 or a dude like EB that will stay on the block andd drop 25 ? It’s not as sexy of a 25 but it gets the job done.

  • Z Posted: Sep.12 at 10:06 am
    Same thing with Sheed… that’s a 13 and 7 dude with a 43% fg!!! Those are Clarence-Weatherspoon-in-his-prime type number. Again, the reason we think he’s better than he actually is… is that he looks good dropping that 13 and snatching that 7.

  • Jukai Posted: Sep.12 at 10:08 am
    One thing I know for sure about Odom: dude needs to brush his teeth.

  • Russ Bengtson Posted: Sep.12 at 10:09 am
    And I’m not sure whether anyone puts any stock in player efficiency rating (I’m not sure whether I do, either), but Lamar’s rating for the playoffs was higher than—among others—Tayshaun Prince, Carmelo Anthony and Paul Pierce.

  • Russ Bengtson Posted: Sep.12 at 10:10 am
    Z: You had me until Clarence Weatherspoon. Clarence Weatherspoon didn’t HAVE a prime.

  • B. Long Posted: Sep.12 at 10:11 am
    Let me be clear. I have been a solid L.O. supporter ever since his college years(year) at Rhode Island. Who didn’t love watching him run the floor with that young gun Clips squad and then flourish into what looked like a full fledge superstar in Miami. I was one of the few Lakers fans who was down right giddy when Shaq got traded. I was tired of him coming into camp overweight or waiting until a week before camp gets started to get surgery because he didn’t want it to spoil his vacation. So when L.O. came in I was excited about him being a Laker, Caron too but that’s a diffrent story, and I realized that we would probably struggle a little bit intially but I was putting all my hope into the same basket that everyone else does when they think about L.O. The dreaded “potential” basket. Lamar has the potential to be an all star. He has the potential to be a great defender. He has the potential to be the Pip to Kobe’s MJ. But every time he makes you think that he’s finally there he scores 8 points and gets his ass handed to him on the defensive end in a big game. This has gone on for several years now and being a Laker fan it’s down right brutal. I understand that he has had to deal with some off court situations that no one would be able to just brush their shoulders off from but the problem with that argument is that we’ve seen him have some of his best performances during those periods of time. I love L.O. and no one will be more happy for him if he has a monster year as the “4th” bannana this year than me, but sometimes I wonder if he (and the Lakers) wouldn’t be better off if he was playing in a slightly smaller market with alot less pressure. Like I said I’m still rooting for L.O., I’m just not banking on his “potential”.

  • Z Posted: Sep.12 at 10:12 am
    Russ, I rest my case.

  • TADOne Posted: Sep.12 at 10:12 am
    Scott: Um, my potential comment was strictly sarcasm. Thanks for playing.

  • riggs Posted: Sep.12 at 10:14 am
    this makes me question how the hell are these players being ranked, because LO is too inconsistent to be ranked above some of the players that were done already….

  • joe Posted: Sep.12 at 10:19 am
    I am officially putting in my request for a top 30, 40, 50 or whatever “most naturally talented list” in the NBA, I think it would be interesting to see what the list looks like because you would have guys like Lamar Odom above Carmelo, you would have Sheed over Duncan. Slam Please Do A Top Most “TALENTED” List/Ranking!!!!!!!!!

  • Fresh Posted: Sep.12 at 10:19 am
    -i dont even have him top 60
    -underacehiever so i don’t have much to say about him although he has a really good talent base.
    -most his allcolades from being the most potential
    -potential has to be reached sometime
    -josh smith monta ellis. david west have showed more upside then him. michael redd and richard hamilton have had far better season. im sure they would trade odom for durrant any day.
    Although when I heard about his son death i think he is a warrior. And is game might have dropped a little bit since then, but was already an underacheiver for his talent base

  • scott Posted: Sep.12 at 10:20 am
    @Russ…The stats are nice but Odom didn’t have a better 08 playoffs then Pierce. It seems like you can find some abstract stat to prove this guy is better then this guy and vice versa. If you want to go buy the numbers…Josh Smith again averaged 17,8,3,2,3 that is a real nice stat line but we all know Smith is very inconsistent and the numbers don’t show that.

  • scott Posted: Sep.12 at 10:22 am
    @Tadone…I thought so. No disrespect was aimed at you.

  • TADOne Posted: Sep.12 at 10:23 am
    If that ‘efficiency rating’ is the brain child of John Hollinger, then I put no stock in it.

  • scott Posted: Sep.12 at 10:27 am
    Dirk Nowitzki had the highest “efficiency rating” for the 08 playoffs.

  • Ben Osborne Posted: Sep.12 at 10:28 am
    The Post Up will indeed be back this season!

  • Russ Bengtson Posted: Sep.12 at 10:28 am
    I wasn’t throwing those stats out there to say that Lamar was definitively better than any of those guys. Like I said, I don’t much trust efficiency rating either. My main point was that it’s unfair to say that he “wet his pants” in the Finals. In fact, he was above average in the Playoffs as a whole, and had a terrific series against the Jazz.

  • Russ Bengtson Posted: Sep.12 at 10:29 am
    Hey! Dirk was excellent in his, um, one playoff series. (I can’t WAIT to see the comments when his number comes up. Oh wait, yes I can.)

  • scott Posted: Sep.12 at 10:30 am
    @Russ…maybe “wetting his pants” was a bit harsh.

  • Jukai Posted: Sep.12 at 10:31 am
    Russ, I have Dirk in my top ten. How much crap do you think I’m going to get after stating that?

  • scott Posted: Sep.12 at 10:32 am
    Wasn’t Nowitzki in the top 5 last time around?

  • overtime Posted: Sep.12 at 10:33 am
    Lamar is a quality player who has been through more than 90% of the league, he has a skill-set that no one else does, but it is true that he wonders and doesn’t always use his potential. He could be great this year, acting as a Pippen to Kobe’s Jordan, and letting Gasol and Bynum do their thing in the paint. The Lakers could be onto something special this year…

  • scott Posted: Sep.12 at 10:33 am
    @Jukai I have Nowitzki at #11.

  • overtime Posted: Sep.12 at 10:33 am
    O and bring the Post Up back

  • Bruno Posted: Sep.12 at 10:34 am
    uhahauhauhuahuahua
    jukai at 9:44 was good

  • Jukai Posted: Sep.12 at 10:36 am
    Also: How do you think Odom’s potential will be when he moves up from fourth option to third option when Kobe goes out for the season by aggrivating his dislocated pinkie?

  • Co Co Posted: Sep.12 at 10:37 am
    You guys seem to be forgetting that this list is definitive. None of this is really even up for debate. ;) You just have to accept that the players fall where the 12 writers who put this list together say they fall.

  • Russ Bengtson Posted: Sep.12 at 10:38 am
    I’d have no problem with Dirk being in the top 10.

  • H to the Izzo Posted: Sep.12 at 10:39 am
    CoCo gets it.

  • TADOne Posted: Sep.12 at 10:43 am
    I can imagine every email exchange between the Slam contingent ending with “well, I don’t give a f*ck what the commenters are going to think!”

  • rob stewart Posted: Sep.12 at 10:45 am
    L.O. is alot more Kukoc than Pippen.

  • Co Co Posted: Sep.12 at 10:47 am
    Nah Tad, the emails were probably a bit more personal, like I don’t give a f*ck what Russ thinks, or Ryne or Myles and etc… :)

  • James the balla Posted: Sep.12 at 10:50 am
    hmmmmm im a Lakers fan and i dont even know about this …

  • TADOne Posted: Sep.12 at 10:51 am
    Imagine the amount of exclamation points Holly used.

  • Keith Posted: Sep.12 at 10:55 am
    How much hair did you pull out in frustration at the guy you were writing about?

  • Keith Posted: Sep.12 at 10:55 am
    And obviously ‘good job’!

  • BETCATS Posted: Sep.12 at 10:58 am
    aww hell no!!!!! G-Force is better than him, but Josh Smith is better than G-Force!! But it was a good article Holly, i dont agree with some your list placement, but i am glad you guys made a list

  • Bo Diddly Posted: Sep.12 at 11:02 am
    Definitely with B Long on this. Lamar could be one of the best in the league based on potential. I wouldn’t trade him for Tayshaun tho. Do you not watch playoff basketball Eboy?

  • BETCATS Posted: Sep.12 at 11:06 am
    “rob stewart says:
    L.O. is alot more Kukoc” yes!!! smart man

  • Holly MacKenzie Posted: Sep.12 at 11:07 am
    Thanks for all of the comments, guys. Feels good to be posting again. This means….. Season is almost here! Yay!! And just for the record, while I think Lamar’s potential is ridiculous (and it is very frustrating when he falls short of it), I think people sometimes look at what he could/should have been and lose sight of what he actually is producing. At the end of the day, I’m happy he is on my team.

  • Double J Posted: Sep.12 at 11:07 am
    yes i too believe lamar will be droppin some serious numbers this season! and stop with the hatin’ it’s tough playin’ alongside the number ONE player in the game today, i know it would kill a lot of peoples ego and end that reach for potential

  • Holly MacKenzie Posted: Sep.12 at 11:08 am
    Tad, I will never live down Sam’s “Exclamation Point Queen” title, will I?

  • Keith Posted: Sep.12 at 11:09 am
    Lamar and Shawn Marion are always judged on what they COULD be rather than what they are. Unfair? Possibly.

  • TADOne Posted: Sep.12 at 11:10 am
    Probably not.

  • Keith Posted: Sep.12 at 11:10 am
    100.

  • Double J Posted: Sep.12 at 11:11 am
    now that i think about it, just imagine the matrix in lamar’s position now

  • TADOne Posted: Sep.12 at 11:11 am
    I’m guilty of overlooking what Lamar does and harking back to what he could/should be. I still remember that buzzer beating 3-pointer he hit in the NCAA Tourney.

  • scott Posted: Sep.12 at 11:13 am
    Wasn’t Odom and McGrady in the McDonalds All American Game together back in 97?

  • scott Posted: Sep.12 at 11:15 am
    Odom is a top 50 player no doubt. You just get the feeling that he is capable of so much more. When Odom was with the Clips he was compared to Magic maybe that was unfair but it always seems like he could do more.

  • H to the Izzo Posted: Sep.12 at 11:16 am
    Holly’s email regarding the number one spot:
    “If Kobe ain’t no.1 all of y’alls is gonna get f*cked up”.
    Holly is gangsta through email.Great stuff.

  • B. Long Posted: Sep.12 at 11:22 am
    Holly, all rooting for the guy because he’s a good dude aside, who would you rather have on the Lakers? Ron Ron, S-Jax or L.O.? Honestly.

  • Co Co Posted: Sep.12 at 11:27 am
    B Long, Holly would rather have S Jax :) I’m just guessing….

  • B. Long Posted: Sep.12 at 11:30 am
    Thank you, Co Co.

  • Colin Posted: Sep.12 at 11:32 am
    did we skip #40?

  • Justin Posted: Sep.12 at 11:36 am
    I second EBoy in that I’d love to see LO return to SoFla. Wade had a great rookie year, but it was LO’s team that year.
    You could even say that Van Gundy did well with the Magic last year in that he had Turk imitate LO’s role with the HEAT his first year as a Coach.

  • Bruno Posted: Sep.12 at 11:38 am
    rob stewart says:
    L.O. is alot more Kukoc than Pippen.
    good point, except that Kukoc didn’t use to choke. actually, he played with one of NBA’s top5 clutch all time, and when needed, he would give what the bulls expected.
    great guy.

  • scott Posted: Sep.12 at 11:42 am
    I’m not a LA Lakers fan but I think they would rather have Artest on the team then Odom or Jackson. The Lakers were trying to trade Odom to Sacramento for Artest but the Kings shot it down.

  • KA Posted: Sep.12 at 11:43 am
    he may not reach his potential but hes okay for what hes become: good enough for a championship caliber team as a 3rd tier multipurpose guy. thats not bad really. weve seen young phenoms ended up worse.

  • Holly MacKenzie Posted: Sep.12 at 11:44 am
    B. Long: Jax is my guy. Not sure if I’m talking strictly about basketball play here anymore, but I’d jump through hoops to have Jax on my team. haha

  • vtrobot Posted: Sep.12 at 11:56 am
    Got the potential to be Top 50. But ain’t.

  • fluxland Posted: Sep.12 at 12:13 pm
    @Russ - just like some will be talking about Wince Carter in the same sentence? (re: potential. ) Looking forward to that conversation on here in 2036.
    @Mr. Ben “no u in my name” Osborne - this is good news! Someone needs to give you one of those “Kudos” certificates in the SLAMdome today!
    ==
    Everyone should realize that Kobe will be no.2 on this list - Ricky “SLAM” Rubio has the number one spot on lock!! ;)

  • B. Long Posted: Sep.12 at 12:14 pm
    Strictly basketball play, Holly. S-Jax would spread the floor more with his range and open things up for the triangle to be ran more effectively because teams wouldn’t be able to clog the lanes or help on the bigs so much. His defense is pretty solid too and he’d bring that nastiness that the Lakers most desprately need.

  • Quail Posted: Sep.12 at 12:20 pm
    im just glad Radmanovic isnt starting anymore. haha

  • DP Posted: Sep.12 at 1:00 pm
    LO deserves to be on here even though he is an underachiever. When he plays like he should, he is someone that most can’t f*ck with. But when he falls under that pressure…he is weak.

  • Lz - Cphfinest3 Posted: Sep.12 at 1:05 pm
    Odom should be on the list no doubt, but putting him before Ron Ron, West, Monta, and Rip is wrong. I would take him over the rest though. Good read Holly, although I’m tired of people talking about a 10 year wets potential. It’s like saying that Shaq’s potential is enormous if he just lost some weight. LeBron will and should be no 1 on this list, with Kobe a close second. I think the Olympics must have tipped the scale.

  • Diogo Posted: Sep.12 at 1:21 pm
    He should be ranked higher. He’s at least top30.

  • Lz - Cphfinest3 Posted: Sep.12 at 1:28 pm
    Top 30, vc esta tomando pinga meu velho?

  • jrp14 Posted: Sep.12 at 1:44 pm
    As long as BRoy makes the top 25…which he most definitely should, then I don’t really care. And, oh yeah, Lebron is number 1….just sayin

  • what Posted: Sep.12 at 1:51 pm
    A;SIDFMAPOSIDMFPAOSIDMFPAISDMFPAOISMDPFAIMSDPASFD This is the first ranking that is completely stupid. Josh Smith is like Odom with balls.

  • what Posted: Sep.12 at 1:52 pm
    And insane athleticism.

  • what Posted: Sep.12 at 1:52 pm
    Basically the point is that Odom is not better than Josh Smith.

  • fluxland Posted: Sep.12 at 1:53 pm
    Lz - where you at??! Still waiting for your thoughts on my JKidd rebuttal from yesterday.

  • Lz - Cphfinest3 Posted: Sep.12 at 2:05 pm
    Flux; Sorry think I missed that one. I’m heading out now, but promise you I’ll get around to it tomorrow - although I’m suspecting to be very hangover infested.

  • tealish Posted: Sep.12 at 2:07 pm
    This rating is so wrong. I’m not one to complain — ok, maybe just a little but I keep it under control — but Lamar Odom is definitely not the 39th best player in the L. I’d take every single guy ranked below him over LO on my team 10 times out of 10 times. The only possible explanation I can come up with, is that Holly was ranking the top 50 Lakers of the past 5 years.

  • fluxland Posted: Sep.12 at 2:12 pm
    No worries.. just wondering about your thoughts. Be safe, playa!

  • Holly MacKenzie Posted: Sep.12 at 2:16 pm
    tealish, you do realize that these rankings were a group effort from everyone here at SLAM and not my personal rankings? I am okay with LO being ranked here, though!

  • jbn74sb Posted: Sep.12 at 2:22 pm
    1) Eboy - We’ve talked before about trading Odom for Marion. Let’s find a way to make it happen. I love Lamar, but he is a not a good fit with Kobe, and should struggle this year while attempting to play the 3. The Lakers need another player who can hit an open 3 in the starting 5, and Marion would fit that role nicely. Bynum and Gasol will take care of the paint and the boards, Marion will help on D. Sh-t. Get it done.
    2) Gasol and Kobe are obviously still on this list. What about Bynum? Was he not top 50 last year when healthy?

  • Jukai Posted: Sep.12 at 2:25 pm
    Holly: Are we wrong to assume you had him higher than on everyone elses’ lists? =)

  • Allenp Posted: Sep.12 at 2:26 pm
    Wow, I’ve been working so I just saw this. Damn, I would NEVER take Odom over Artest. Never ever. And I think i would prefer to have Josh Smith as well.

  • tealish Posted: Sep.12 at 2:26 pm
    I do. I’m just saying this is why averages fail when the sample size is so small. But come on, we all know LO is skilled. We all know he has talent. But looking strictly at what he produces on the floor and not what he *could* and not the purple and gold… can you really say you want this guy on your team more so than Josh Smith? Rip Hamilton? Ron Artest? DWest? Ellis? Redd?

  • tealish Posted: Sep.12 at 2:29 pm
    Ugh, I’m sorry. This one just hurts my head; nevermind me.

  • Allenp Posted: Sep.12 at 2:34 pm
    I forgot about David West. Unless David West got docked for injuries, every team in the league would rather have him than Lamar Odom. Oh, the West slight is bad. West is a hardcore beast who was taking it to Tim Duncan in several games. Lamar Odom couldn’t take it to Kendrick Perkins! I know this is y’all’s list and it’s just for discussion, but I think this was a massive blunder. I could see Lamar at 45-47, but not above Rip, Artest or West.

  • Holly MacKenzie Posted: Sep.12 at 2:53 pm
    I would take West before Lamar for sure. I would take Lamar before Rip. I’m not sure what I would do with Lamar and Artest. As much as I love LO in the purple and gold, I’d prefer for him to play in Miami and I think he’d be a better fit there.

  • Allenp Posted: Sep.12 at 3:07 pm
    Holly, how did Lamar get over David West if you weren’t the one advocating for him? Should I blame this on Myles? Is Myles who I need to be angry with? j/k

  • d.Y. Posted: Sep.12 at 3:09 pm
    hmph. This is the first one I really disagree on. Good job getting Holly to soften the blow. Holly: good job on the soft blow. Anytime you mention a cat’s mom, grandma, and kid dying (all on the same day apparently), it’s hard not to root for homie. I root for him. That being said, 4th option, even on a championship team, is not top 40 in the NBA. If you take just about every teams best player over him, that means LO is better than 2/3 of the teams in the nba’s 2nd best player.

  • Dark Posted: Sep.12 at 3:13 pm
    Wooow. Eddy Curry has loads of talent too - where’s he at?

  • NBK Posted: Sep.12 at 3:24 pm
    I wish the people that read this and complain about the rankings would take into consideration more than PPG, FG%, and offensive statistics, Lamar Odom can play the 1 while gaurding the 5, when he is on the court entire teams defensive philosophy has to change, its like Rasheed Wallace everyone doesn’t like him because he doesn’t get Goddy numbers but he does everything you would want a player to do to put the team in the best posistion to win. He stretches the defense, protects the basket, and generally outplays his counterpart on the other team. same goes for Odom, there aren’t any other SF’s not named LeBron that can lead a team in everything from Assists to Blocks.

  • floe Posted: Sep.12 at 3:30 pm
    gotta love odom.. hope he gets his piece minus kobe.

  • Hersey Posted: Sep.12 at 3:45 pm
    Disagreed. Too many no-shows at key playoff moments. No All Star appearances. Not even a top 50 player.

  • haitianprince Posted: Sep.12 at 3:50 pm
    odom ahead of josh smith & rip hamilton? smDh!!!

  • Allenp Posted: Sep.12 at 3:51 pm
    Man, I’m not just taking stats into account. Ron Artest is a better scorer inside and outside than Lamar Odom. He’s a better defender than Lamar Odom. He’s tougher than Lamar Odom. Lamar Odom is a better passer. That’s it. As for David West, come on now. West is a better rebounder and scorer than Odom. He doesn’t provide the same passing, but in the triangle that’s not really at a premium. The Lakers would trade Lamar so fast for David West.

  • TADOne Posted: Sep.12 at 3:55 pm
    Hold on now. I am by no means an LO fan or supporter, but ya’ll have to stop with the “he should not be a top 50 player” BS. Seriously, let’s look at his career averages: 15.6 points per game, 8.9 rebounds per game, 4.4 assists, 1 block and 1 steal per while playing 37.4 minutes per game. This is averages over a 9 year career people. Also, in 46 playoff games, he has averaged 13.6, 10.0, and 3.1 while playing almost 40 minutes per. True, his play is maddening because you know he can do so much more, but those are not averages to sneeze at. I would probably take a couple of the players listed after him before Lamar, but Lamar can play. Don’t sleep.

  • NBK Posted: Sep.12 at 3:57 pm
    That was the most ignorant thing ive ever read, David West is not a better rebounder then Odom, check the stats, Ron Artest is not a better scorer than odom around the basket, Odom is 6-10 so yeah generally artest will be a better defender seeing as how he is more mobile but overall I would rather have a 6-10 Point forward than a 6-7 defensive stopper with the inability to help his team live up to expectations. U should actually know what your talking about before you try and say certain players are better and furthermore would you even know who David West is if it wasn’t for CP3? Didn’t think so

  • NBK Posted: Sep.12 at 3:58 pm
    Seriously Odom could be a lot better but you really are not educated if you think West and Artest are better players.

  • Jukai Posted: Sep.12 at 4:00 pm
    NBK: this is where you are so off. LO’s BIGGEST problem is the choice of where to play him in a position. You can’t play him at shooting guard because his outshot shot is suspect, you can’t play him at point because he gets too careless with the ball, he’s too slow for the three, he’s too small for the four, and he’s too weak for the five. Yes, he has the ability to be able to play all five positions, but as of right now, I don’t think he is that set on any of them. I don’t want to see that argument used at all.

  • NBK Posted: Sep.12 at 4:06 pm
    WOW u just said he was too small to play the 4? He is 6-10 230, david west seeing as how he has been a big part of this discussion is 6-9 240, wow HUGE difference haha you also don’t know what your talkin about, you put him in the game as your 3 or 4 and force another big to gaurd him but play him as your 1 in your offense and you have a huge mismatch. He has averaged around a double double for his whole career. I mean get off the hate wagon and take it as it is Lamar Odom is right where he should be in the ranking because of all the problems he posses. Granted he isn’t super quick or have a very good jumper but he does consistanly get double doubles while being in the triple double area more than most guys in the league. He could not have a definitive position and still be on this list because of all he brings to the table

  • Jukai Posted: Sep.12 at 4:07 pm
    I know this sounds silly (and might totally be off), but I think Odom’s incredibly vast skill set is what is holding him BACK. He’s like a jack-of-all-trades, master-of-none. He needs to focus on a position and work on what that position calls for. He wants to play a point-forward type role? Work on his ball handling, and cut down on some of the fancy jazz. Work at the top of the key down, don’t expect to get the ball near the paint but then ball like yer going to create for someone. If he wants to be a shooting guard, he’s gotta work on his three point range. He’s got a decent midrange game, sure, but every commentator will still cringe whenever he starts taking shots outside the paint because he’s just too damn shaky in that area. He’s gotta work on that if he wants to play the two. If he wants to play the three, he’s gotta do exactly the opposite of two: stop falling in love with the jumper. Keep taking it to the basket! Look at the way this guys built, and look at his speed, he should be charging every time. The better his slashing gets, the more he’ll be able to guard the three spot better as well. If he wants to be a power forward, he’s going to have to learn to work closer into the paint, how to kick out without dribbling towards the player, and he’s gotta get a bit more strength. He should also ditch all that ball handling, he doesn’t need it if he wants to play a four-role in the NBA. I would NEVER play him at center, but if he wants to play center, he’s gotta drop those dumb jumpers and start working on a post game. It’s great to be well-rounded, but it’s not good if you can’t focus on what you do best.

  • Jukai Posted: Sep.12 at 4:10 pm
    NBK: yes, putting him as a one would be a huge mismatch. He’d also turn the ball over 40 times and make the offense stagnant. I was also under the impression that Odom was 6′9 just like David Lee. David Lee, in my opinion, is too small to play the power forward. If you notice, David Lee is not in the top 50. And stop saying he “consistanly” gets double doubles. So did David Lee two years ago.

  • NBK Posted: Sep.12 at 4:11 pm
    HE averaged a double double last year dumba$$

  • NBK Posted: Sep.12 at 4:12 pm
    and you have no grounds to say he would turn the ball over 40 times he played a huge role in the Lakers offense as their second playmaker and only gave up 2.03 TO’s a game last year, you are just pulling stuff from your hind sector trying to sound right but you have no idea what your talking about

  • NBK Posted: Sep.12 at 4:15 pm
    Well odom is 6-10 not 6-9 he was drafted as a PG meaning he can handle the ball just fine, I watch him play 20+ games a year i know what I’m talking about

  • Jukai Posted: Sep.12 at 4:17 pm
    No, NBK, he has three assists and two turnovers. That’s NOT a great ratio. He gets more touches and handles the ball more, we’re talking about skyrocketting turnovers. He loses the ball all the time when he’s making a dumb play to the basket. Do YOU watch Lamar Odom?

  • BETCATS Posted: Sep.12 at 4:17 pm
    NBK, what the hell are you doing here?

  • fluxland Posted: Sep.12 at 4:17 pm
    NBK: “I would rather have a 6-10 Point forward than a 6-7 defensive stopper with the inability to help his team live up to expectations.” Because you know - Lamar sealed that LOBT last year and didn’t play Casper making every Laker fan in sight rip their hair out. Defensive stopper for one, please!

  • NBK Posted: Sep.12 at 4:18 pm
    And you can’t honestly try and say a player being good at everything is holding them back that was just too stupid, his (too broad for your of a skill set) means he would fit in with any lineup on any team in the whole league. Actually other than the aforementioned LeBron there is noone else in the league with that kind of talent and ability

  • Jukai Posted: Sep.12 at 4:18 pm
    … You have only watched him play 20 games a year? My dad’s a huge Laker fan. I’ve seen almost twice the games you have. You fail.

  • Jukai Posted: Sep.12 at 4:18 pm
    … You have only watched him play 20 games a year? My dad’s a huge Laker fan. I’ve seen almost twice the games you have. You fail.

  • BETCATS Posted: Sep.12 at 4:18 pm
    i hate both NBK and Jukai so i am going to agree with Jukai. Did you watch the Finals NBK?

  • Jukai Posted: Sep.12 at 4:19 pm
    NBK: Lebron is one of the most complete threes in the league, PLUS the passing of a great point guard and above average rebounding. Odom is not a complete anything.

  • BETCATS Posted: Sep.12 at 4:20 pm
    NBK i thought you said you were working when you, me, and RV were arguing! You are a liar, a fake, a phony, and the fact you have NO basketball knolegede doesnt help you at all.

  • BETCATS Posted: Sep.12 at 4:20 pm
    Odom is very veristile, but Jukai is right

  • NBK Posted: Sep.12 at 4:20 pm
    If artest was SOO valuable an asset than the Lakers would have pulled the trigger on the Artest for Odom trade in the middle of last season. Plus you already have Kobe Bryants as your defensive stopper so ill take the 10.8 rpg odom gives because he doesnt shoot more than 10 shots a game compared to artest who pulls down around 6 rebound with 15-20 shot attempts.

  • Jukai Posted: Sep.12 at 4:22 pm
    Kobe is not your defensive stopper… I’m done. BETCATS, he’s is yours.

  • fluxland Posted: Sep.12 at 4:22 pm
    NBK = needs basketball knowledge, aka, not bright kid, aka no brain kangaroo etc etc..

  • NBK Posted: Sep.12 at 4:23 pm
    Yeah i watched the finals did you? i mean odom put up 13 and 9 on 51% shooting he was not the reason they lost if your gonna try and pin it on him.

  • Jukai Posted: Sep.12 at 4:23 pm
    HEY HEY! FLUX! Let’s keep it to basketball here! No name calling!

  • Jukai Posted: Sep.12 at 4:25 pm
    Flux I’m worried about you with all this name calling, are you doing okay at home? You need to talk to someone?

  • BETCATS Posted: Sep.12 at 4:25 pm
    “Sep.12 at 3:58 pm
    NBK says:
    Seriously Odom could be a lot better but you really are not educated if you think West and Artest are better players.”
    David West: 1 all star game
    Ron Artest: 1 0r 2 DPOY (i forgot how many DPOY’s he won? somebody help me) 1 all star game
    Lamar Odom: 0 all star games, 0 DPOY, 0 anything

  • NBK Posted: Sep.12 at 4:25 pm
    Yes Kobe is the defensive stopper on the Lakers thats why he has 6 all defensive first team selections ignorant

  • fluxland Posted: Sep.12 at 4:26 pm
    Sorry Jukai..but are those really names? Kids outta control either way. You are right..you are right.. man, they do make it hard don’t they?

  • NBK Posted: Sep.12 at 4:26 pm
    Artest got 1DPOY i never said odom was a better defender i said he was a better player, and all star selections is not a real way to measure how good a player is
    see jamal magloire

  • BETCATS Posted: Sep.12 at 4:27 pm
    “NBK says:
    Yeah i watched the finals did you? i mean odom put up 13 and 9 on 51% shooting he was not the reason they lost if your gonna try and pin it on him.”
    He choked worse than George Bush on that pretzel while watching footbal (who else remembered that). Are you crazy NBK? You are looking at numbers, he was missing dunks, layups, and commiting 1,000,000’s of turnovers. You must have not watched, or are lying. You are a liar after all, thats not name calling, thats a fact, something you need to check.

  • fluxland Posted: Sep.12 at 4:27 pm
    Hey c’mon.. one lil jab doesn’t compare to a month plus binge you’ve been unleashing ;)

  • fluxland Posted: Sep.12 at 4:29 pm
    @BET - my comment at 4:17. Exactly!

  • BETCATS Posted: Sep.12 at 4:30 pm
    NBK you are crazier than i thought. On top of being a liar, you are saying Lamar Odom is not suppose to play defence? Lamar is a GREAT complement player, but he is no 2nd bannana. Ron Artest WAS a 2nd bannana in Indy, and before that brawl, Indy was favorites to win a title. David West is still up and comming and will be a FAR better player than Odom in the future. Just wait and see. Until then go ready a fairy tale or a novel, because you cant handle the truth!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • K.I.N.G. Posted: Sep.12 at 4:30 pm
    Well Deserved

  • NBK Posted: Sep.12 at 4:31 pm
    no he averaged 2.67 TO’s a game in 36 minutes in teh finals compared to 2.17 in teh finals for Gasol on 39 Minutes.
    Plus Gason only shot .2% better and 1.4 more PPG on 3 more minutes why don’t you complain about the big spanish dissapointment as opposed to the Lamar Odom that got virtually the same stats he did during the season

  • NBK Posted: Sep.12 at 4:32 pm
    David West is older than Lamar Odom BETCATS go back on the street and look for girls

  • NBK Posted: Sep.12 at 4:33 pm
    You just can’t except the truth all i have done is explain what im saying with facts keep throwing insults at me like that makes it seem like you know what your talkin about

  • BETCATS Posted: Sep.12 at 4:33 pm
    flux, this guy is a clown.

  • NBK Posted: Sep.12 at 4:34 pm
    Exactly

  • BETCATS Posted: Sep.12 at 4:37 pm
    “NBK says:
    no he averaged 2.67 TO’s a game in 36 minutes in teh finals compared to 2.17 in teh finals for Gasol on 39 Minutes.
    Plus Gason only shot .2% better and 1.4 more PPG on 3 more minutes why don’t you complain about the big spanish dissapointment as opposed to the Lamar Odom that got virtually the same stats he did during the season”
    NUMBERS NUMBERS NUMBERS! YOU DID NOT, MUST NOT, COULD NOT, have watched the NBA Finals. He was missing dunks, missing OPEN shots, missing layups, and he was giving bad passes, and not hustling. KG put the breaks on him bro, thats why the Celtics are rasing that championship banner. Made you just came out of a coma and picked up a keyboard, but i suggest you re-watch Lamar in the finals. Seriously.

  • fluxland Posted: Sep.12 at 4:38 pm
    BET - agreed.

  • BETCATS Posted: Sep.12 at 4:39 pm
    even Lamar Odom will tell you he didnt play good in the finals. Phil Jackson would tell you. Kobe would tell you. ANYONE who watched the finals would tell you that he did not play good.

  • BETCATS Posted: Sep.12 at 4:40 pm
    NBK = Not a Bright Kid!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Allenp Posted: Sep.12 at 4:40 pm
    NBK, Ron Artest dominates swingmen around the basket. Did you see what he and Bonzi Wells did to Bruce Bowen? Have you watched David West play? His one-on-one game is sick. He doesn’t need Paul to set him up for easy buckets. He can score on the block with his back to the basket, or step out and hit jumpes up to 20 feet. Did you see how much trouble Tim Duncan, one of the best defenders of all time, had against West one-on-one? West is complete offensively, he would be good on any team. And I’ve watched West and Odom rebound, West is a better rebounder.

  • NBK Posted: Sep.12 at 4:41 pm
    You just said LAMAR ODOM is the reason the Celtics won the title. I said this earlier you have got to be kidding me what happened to the MVP in the Finals he only put up 25 a game and played to worst series he played in all of the playoffs. If you want to blame Lamar Odom for the lakers losing the Title thats you proving your ignorant. If you judge a player strictly by how they played in the finals then that means Paul Pierce is better than Kobe Bryant anyway. So when Kobe is ranked number 1 or 2 you better be using the same argument to say Paul Pierce should be ranked ahead of him. Dumb little kid you have no idea what your talkin about

  • fluxland Posted: Sep.12 at 4:41 pm
    NBK, honestly it doesn’t seem you watched the Finals. At least not what we were watching. Take away all your stats and numbers - with the exception of a few flashes, Odom failed his team during key stretches of the game(s). Unexplainable, inexcusable and indefensible failures. Then ones BET is listing.

  • BETCATS Posted: Sep.12 at 4:42 pm
    allenp, the voice of reason

  • fluxland Posted: Sep.12 at 4:42 pm
    BET - see at 4:22. lol.

  • BETCATS Posted: Sep.12 at 4:44 pm
    “NBK says:
    You just said LAMAR ODOM is the reason the Celtics won the title. I said this earlier you have got to be kidding me what happened to the MVP in the Finals he only put up 25 a game and played to worst series he played in all of the playoffs. If you want to blame Lamar Odom for the lakers losing the Title thats you proving your ignorant. If you judge a player strictly by how they played in the finals then that means Paul Pierce is better than Kobe Bryant anyway. So when Kobe is ranked number 1 or 2 you better be using the same argument to say Paul Pierce should be ranked ahead of him. Dumb little kid you have no idea what your talkin about ”
    “BETCATS says: KG put the breaks on him bro”
    What i said was that KG shut him down and his and his team’s great defence stoped the Lakers (a team Lamar Odom is on) won the title. Anyone who watched the finals will tell you the Celtics great defence won the finals.

  • Allenp Posted: Sep.12 at 4:45 pm
    Pau Gasol was being guarded by Kevin Garnet, Odom was being guarded by Kendrick Perkins. That right ther tells you everything you need to know about their performances. Odom had a perfect mismatch for his “all-around” skills with Perkins on him and could not dominate at all. That’s sad man. And dude, your knowledge of the NBA is limited. You aren’t even making good points. But, keep up the name calling and have a nice day.

  • NBK Posted: Sep.12 at 4:46 pm
    How is west a better rebounder and odom outrebounded him in the playoffs. And yeah i watch david west play and i understand he is a good ball player but he is not better than Lamar Odom and the fact that Slam a real publication has him below odom i think so far there is no proof or any evidence at all to say West is a better player its just you people trying to disagree with everything you read so that your day feels more fulfilled. Yall don’t understand the game obviously so i am wasting my time

  • BETCATS Posted: Sep.12 at 4:46 pm
    the fact that Lamar and Pau gasol both played like they needed LA SPARKS uniforms and Luke Walton tried WAY WAY WAY too hard to be sexxxy (so many dumb passes, so many bad 3 point shots, uggggggggggggggggggggh) combined with KG shuting down Lamar and anything else the Lakers threw at him, the Celtics are champions. FIN.

  • fluxland Posted: Sep.12 at 4:46 pm
    NBK - the “blame” could be assigned to many of the Lakers. Thing is, if you were to rank them, the majority of people would (may) rank L.O. in the top spot. If you watched the Finals, you would have heard even the announcers wonder which LO would show up and “The Lakers NEED LO to bring it this game”. Then it seemed they were saying it game after game after game.

  • fluxland Posted: Sep.12 at 4:48 pm
    Allenp@4:45 - aand there it is. BOOM. The prosecution rests its case.

  • NBK Posted: Sep.12 at 4:50 pm
    Hey allenP last point the Lakers run the triangle and Kobe is who was supposed to dominate like that guy michael did even when scottie pippen was being gaurded by an inferior player, i am in no way saying odom is pippen which furthers my point that ODom is not supposed to dominate a game so the fact that he didn’t is no reason for you to think he is worse a player. Oh and if you do think he is worse because he didn’t dominate who was guarding him that furthers my point that Kobe Bryant isn’t as good as he should be since he was being checked by RAY ALLEN notorious for his abilities on the offensive end only.
    And i am not saying Kobe bryant is worse than people say i am saying your grounds for judgement are terrible and you sound ignorant

  • BETCATS Posted: Sep.12 at 4:55 pm
    “NBK says: there is no proof or any evidence at all to say West is a better player” Lamar Odom/David West 2007/2008 Head to Head stats comaprison (cortacy of NBA.com) Points Per Game: West - 20.6 Odom- 14.2 Rebounds Per Game: Odom - 10.6 West- 8.9 Blocks Per Game- West- 1.3 Odom- 0.9 Field Goal Percentage- Odom- .525% West - .482% Free Throw Percentage: West- .85% Odom-.69% MPG- Both 37.8 So, the numbers clearly show West is a better scorer, Odom is a better rebounder, West is a better shot blocker, Odom has a slighlty higher FG% (he takes less shot though), and West is a better free throw shooter. Advange: David West

  • BETCATS Posted: Sep.12 at 4:56 pm
    now i rest my case unless their is any further argument from the thing known as NBK….

  • NBK Posted: Sep.12 at 4:59 pm
    All BIG MAN STATistics what about Odom is playing on the perimeter? What about Odom is the playmaker not the guy getting plays made for him? What about Kobe Bryant is on the Lakers hence Lamar’s 14PPG and CP3 is on the Hornets and David West is his favorite target hence 20PPG Those statistics mean just about as much as derek fished only gave up 1.5 TO’s a game and Nash gave up 3 so i would rather have fisher does that make sense to you?

  • NBK Posted: Sep.12 at 5:01 pm
    Oh yeah and Odom can play more than just one position on offense and defense and david west? he plays the 4 and luckily doesn’t have to gaurd anyone good because he got TC to do that

  • BETCATS Posted: Sep.12 at 5:03 pm
    nothing NBK says can make sence because NBK does not make sence. IF you were to switch these players around, Lamar Odom would not be on this list, and David West would be wearing a Lakers championship ring. David West gets his. David West does not need Chris Paul, David West takes. Lamar Odom is no 2nd bananna, Lamar Odom is a complementary player. David West is a 2nd Bannana, David West is a All Star. David West is clearly better, maybe you cant understand that, but everyone else does

  • BETCATS Posted: Sep.12 at 5:04 pm
    “NBK says:
    Oh yeah and Odom can play more than just one position on offense and defense and david west? he plays the 4 and luckily doesn’t have to gaurd anyone good because he got TC to do that”
    so you are saying that the fact that David West IS a pure power forward is a negative? We all know what Odom did playing Power Forward did in the finals: FAIL.

  • Jose Posted: Sep.12 at 5:24 pm
    poor guy hasn’t had luck these few years.i hate LA but hes pretty cool

  • NBK Posted: Sep.12 at 5:30 pm
    everyone agrees with you except the professional journalists and sportswriters but what do they know I mean they only get paid to do this for a living

  • Jukai Posted: Sep.12 at 5:33 pm
    Most professional journalists and sportswriters don’t, BTW

  • BETCATS Posted: Sep.12 at 5:50 pm
    !

  • DP Posted: Sep.12 at 6:00 pm
    NBK’s sould has been taken away by BET. BETS, stop the massacre, please.

  • BETCATS Posted: Sep.12 at 6:01 pm
    i stop when the blood stains my white Air Force 1s a fierce red

  • Moose Posted: Sep.12 at 6:15 pm
    The smirk that Odom has on his face when he shoots free throws really annoys me. But I get satisfaction from his .698 percentage.

  • JJ Posted: Sep.12 at 8:23 pm
    West at 44 and Odom at 39? Doesn’t quite make sense, does it?

  • Moose Posted: Sep.12 at 8:30 pm
    No, JJ, it doesn’t, as argued by BET above.

  • BETCATS Posted: Sep.12 at 8:37 pm
    “on behaf of the streets i just cant be ignored” - Young Jeezy

  • Teddy-the-Bear Posted: Sep.12 at 9:07 pm
    WOW, SLAM. I totally did NOT see this coming, this is ludacrous, plain absurdity. If you have players like Michael Redd, David West, and Richard Hamilton, as well as Tayshaun Prince in the 40’s, how in the hell can you have LAMAR ODOM at 39?? It goes against all logic, it goes against even the fricken laws of physics man. Come on! I knew, but secretly hoped that something like this wouldn’t happen. Well, it did. WOW!

  • Moose Posted: Sep.12 at 9:09 pm
    lmao @ BET

  • Moose Posted: Sep.12 at 9:09 pm
    lmao @ BET

  • Teddy-the-Bear Posted: Sep.12 at 9:11 pm
    PS: BETCATS, shut your trap already man you just proved to us all, even NBK just how dumb you really are. Come on dude, you seriously quoted Young Jeezy in a discussion? I mean I totally agree about what you’re saying about David West, but you need to find something better to say..

  • BETCATS Posted: Sep.12 at 9:13 pm
    i found nemo, i dont need to find anything else.

  • BETCATS Posted: Sep.12 at 9:18 pm
    and whats with all this PS bussiness teddy? I already told you i wasnt g@y, why are you writting to me as though we are passing notes or something…

  • Teddy-the-Bear Posted: Sep.12 at 9:20 pm
    Anyways, I appreciate the analysis, SLAM. Holly did a good job of justifying such a position. I am satisfied, in a way.

  • BETCATS Posted: Sep.12 at 9:21 pm
    Teddy are we going to end the name calling here or is the war still on?

  • Teddy-the-Bear Posted: Sep.12 at 9:22 pm
    @ BETCATS: Wow, you’ve proved time and time again you’re incapable of a real argument, you say the same sh!t over and over again, to the point where its just funny. Son, don’t even try… Your Young Jeezy quote proves my point..

  • Myles Brown Posted: Sep.12 at 9:25 pm
    For the record: I do regret this one.

  • BETCATS Posted: Sep.12 at 9:25 pm
    my young jeezy quote. The fact that i am the man bothers you? I can stick it to the man yet i am stickin myslef (no homo), but at the same time i realize that SLAM needs to be a peaceful place so am offering to put my differences (and mental suppority) aside and reach out to you. If you want it like that you got it like that, and i will just type what i see, and what i see is you trying to be a hater. Well, you see me, Hi Hater

  • BETCATS Posted: Sep.12 at 9:26 pm
    Myles this really isnt your fault but how did David West get put under him?

  • niQ Posted: Sep.12 at 9:41 pm
    i still think josh smith is better than all of the mentioned.

  • BETCATS Posted: Sep.12 at 9:44 pm
    David West>>>>>=everybody else on this list

  • BETCATS Posted: Sep.12 at 9:51 pm
    adios amigos

  • Hursty Posted: Sep.12 at 10:24 pm
    …. ok.

  • Money Bill Williams Posted: Sep.12 at 10:42 pm
    NBK is like the annoying nerdy kid at school that nobody hangs out with, but you feel sorry for him so you let him hang on the fringe with all your mates. He doesn’t know what your talking about but will just blurt out something ludacris in the middle of the conversation to try to fit in. then eventually you all get fed up with his annoyance so one day you all just tell him to f*ck off as nobody likes him. NBK, that day is very soon for you

  • jayS Posted: Sep.12 at 10:46 pm
    Finally……some props for L.O..One of the most versatile players in the league, people expect him to put up scorer numbers but the guy is selfless………and for all you haters…I bet you would be rooting him if he was on your team….L.A. L.O. ALL DAY!!!!!!!

  • Money Bill Williams Posted: Sep.12 at 10:52 pm
    and teddy, quite the hate for BET, not only is he more liked than you on this site, but he will verbally assault you at any given time while you are coming to terms with his wordly beating!

  • WOOOZE Posted: Sep.13 at 12:53 am
    I recently saw a “top ten PGs in the L” write up, and Iverson was not in the top ten but guys like Baron Davis, Calderon, and Andre Miller were.
    I wonder where A.I. will be ranked on this list. Any ideas?

  • Gazza Posted: Sep.13 at 12:58 am
    @Money Bill Williams, sounds like you’ve had a bit of experience with that whole fringe thing.

  • tealish Posted: Sep.13 at 1:31 am
    Wooze: I think people look at AI as a combo PG/2, which is why he sometimes isn’t included in those PG rankings. To me, AI at this point in his career, is towards the end of the single digits.

  • tealish Posted: Sep.13 at 1:33 am
    I am also glad to see one SLAM writer voice his regret about this placement.

  • Mathew Posted: Sep.13 at 2:01 am
    Lakers fan chiming in and an overall lamar odom fan. Loved him at Rhode Island but he does not warrant this position. Almost everyone listed before him should be ahead of him. top 60 yes. not top 40

  • Hursty Posted: Sep.13 at 2:46 am
    Is it worth just saying that Lamar Odom is overrated?

  • WOOOZE Posted: Sep.13 at 5:30 am
    @ Tealish, Yeah that’s what I was thinking when I first noticed he wasn’t in the top ten, but then I saw that Arenas was on the list. So maybe they did just leave him off.
    I think A.I. will rank anywhere between about 8-20.

  • Revgen Posted: Sep.13 at 5:37 am
    Few players are as versatile as LO. Only KG clearly is ahead when it comes to versatility. LO is a 6′10 stud who can rebound, score, pass, defend multiple positions, ballhandle like a guard, and make plays on the fast break. And unlike Artest and some others behind him, he’s unselfish as well. Sure he has flaws, but not even Rip Hamilton can come close to delivering the range of skills, versatility, and overall production as LO does. And no, he is not overrated. He’s just overpaid. No matter how talented and productive they are, a 4th option should never make the money LO makes.

  • Jukai Posted: Sep.13 at 6:02 am
    You know, just two days ago, I was nearly crucified by saying exactly what mostly everyone has said today. Great!

  • Hursty Posted: Sep.13 at 6:35 am
    Thats because you have a reputation Jukai ;)

  • karan Posted: Sep.13 at 6:44 am
    he’s good, but no way he is higher than ron ron

  • BETCATS Posted: Sep.13 at 7:48 am
    ????why am i awkae now???

  • WOOOZE Posted: Sep.13 at 8:30 am
    @Revgen. LeBron, Josh Smith, and Julian Wright (even though he isn’t a star player yet) are three guys I can think of off the top of my head who are as versatile as Odom.

  • LAN Posted: Sep.13 at 8:48 am
    …atleast 10 places to high… david west is better.. good read though

  • Quail Posted: Sep.13 at 10:20 am
    hes prolly my 2nd favorite player in the league behind C-Bills… but he still shouldnt be higher than 45. his mid-range jumper is a lil shaky and he doesnt use wut he has enough. he could be alot better than he is.

  • Revgen Posted: Sep.13 at 5:44 pm
    @WOOOZE Josh Smith cannot bal