The NBA is Ruining David Harrison’s High
The League and its players have clashed over many issues over the years. From the ridiculous dress code, the airbrushing of tattoos on the Association’s official publication, and the hand-wringing over how players should behave on the court.
David Harrison, the Pacers’ resident pothead young power forward, has yet another beef: Namely, the League’s drug policy.
Quite simply, the man just wants the powers that be to leave him and his spliff alone.
“I don’t understand how they have a right to look into our lives on any level besides performance-enhancing drugs.
“It’s not a rule made by government and it’s not a rule made by God; it’s made by an organization (the NBA). I guess they feel it will benefit that organization.”
I know, right? Can a guy get his smoke on in peace?
Besides, it’s not like marijuana is bad for you. Totally natural; it comes from the earth, man.
400 Responses to “The NBA is Ruining David Harrison’s High”
Jan.24 at 3:07 pm
Co Co says:
Wow.
Jan.24 at 3:10 pm
Russ Bengtson says:
Come on David, are you high? Oh yeah, that’s right.
Jan.24 at 3:15 pm
TADOne says:
***Cough, Cough****** I’m sorry, what was the question again???
Jan.24 at 3:15 pm
Dan says:
To a certain extent I agree with Harrison. I mean, I understand that these guys are supposed to be role models for young kids and even a drug as basic, if you will, as ganja can project a bad image, but I think the introspection is a little too much. Sure, maintain a drug policy, but try and keep things on the hush. I mean, it’s not like he (Harrison) is going out and bragging about how much reefer he smoked on the weekend; he keeps it on the hush. Therefore, if the league finds out through drug testing that someone such as Harrison is on the smoke deal with it quietly. The League going public when guys break the drug policy is what projects a bad image, not Harrison getting his smoke on. And, furthermore, I wonder if they have a drug policy for the owners? I mean, you think Dr. Buss and the Maloofs just read the bible and have tea parties all weekend?
Jan.24 at 3:22 pm
Russ Bengtson says:
Um, that’s all well and good Dan, but a) they DON’T go public (or even tell the team) until the THIRD failed test, and b) if I was paying someone millions of dollars to do a job, I’d rather have them not partaking in an activity that’s not only illegal, but detrimental to said job. Hey, maybe that’s just me, though.
Jan.24 at 3:22 pm
John D says:
“It’s not a rule made by government and it’s not a rule made by God; it’s made by an organization (the NBA).” So he thinks the government doesn’t have rules against marijuana?
Jan.24 at 3:24 pm
TADOne says:
Thank you Russ. Also, The Maloofs OWN the team. The players are EMPLOYEES.
Jan.24 at 3:27 pm
H to the izzo says:
If by reading the bible and having tea parties you mean needlessly buy Hummers and go trowling for 19 year olds,then,yes I do.
Jan.24 at 3:31 pm
Rasheedionics says:
I’m with Dan… It should be up to a team if they want to suspend the player, not up to NBA. If his performance on the court doesn’t diminish, then he shouldn’t be suspended.
Jan.24 at 3:36 pm
H to the izzo says:
Rasheed:Even though it is in fact illegal?
Jan.24 at 3:36 pm
buddy says:
ricky williams 2
Jan.24 at 3:37 pm
Dan says:
That’s exactly my point, TAD. The owners should be required to maintain the same level of professionalism, if we are going to call it that, as their respective players. And, Russ, a) my point is that they shouldn’t, even after the third failed test in regards to marijuana, and, b) I don’t see how smoking pot leisurely is detrimental to “said job”. I mean, sure, if the players are hot-boxing the locker room that is one thing, but if not then let them be. And also, I thought the OWNERS paid the players and not the league? But, hey, maybe that’s just me.
Jan.24 at 3:39 pm
Geo says:
he’s getting millions of dollars, if he cant stop smoking, then he doesnt deserve to be in the league.
Jan.24 at 3:51 pm
jazzy cabbages says:
least he’s not drinking miller lite. bleh
Jan.24 at 3:53 pm
SteveC says:
countless NBAers over the decades have been notorious pot guys, I think in part because it is an effective and healthy way to ease some of the damage done to their bodies. pot is good for you.
Jan.24 at 3:56 pm
Russ Bengtson says:
Dan, you don’t know how smoking pot can be detrimental to an NBA player? Have you ever seen David Harrison play? I rest my case.
Jan.24 at 3:58 pm
peteb80 says:
Him complaining is pretty lame. He knows the rules and if he can’t quit even if he’s been caught twice, he’s just stupid. Getting three chances and getting suspended for only five games is as laissez-faire as it will get (although I’d say let them be, I’d rather have them smoking than drinking). In other sports guys are usually suspended a year or more after they’ve been caught only once. Anybody remember that snowboarder who had to give back his Olympic medal for testing positive for weed?
Jan.24 at 3:59 pm
TADOne says:
Wasn’t Harrison the cat from one of those MTV shows?
Jan.24 at 4:01 pm
Dan says:
Oh, come on! I am not asking you to releae anything incriminating, but hypothetically, let us say that you smoke pot every once in a while. Should you get in sh!t, publicly scrutinized, and suspended for smoking? Probably not. My point is what I said earlier. As long as he isn’t smoking in the locker room or parking lot before games or practices then let him do his thing. Weed is not going to affect anyone that intensely.
Jan.24 at 4:02 pm
Adam Fleischer says:
If I remember correctly, one of his boys was on Real World while they were still in college and he went to go visit him on the show.
Jan.24 at 4:06 pm
Russ Bengtson says:
If I had a job where I made millions of dollars a year, and one of the very few criteria for my keeping it were that I couldn’t smoke weed–which as has been pointed out is ILLEGAL in this country anyway–I wouldn’t complain about it.
Jan.24 at 4:06 pm
Russ Bengtson says:
And since you didn’t ask, no, I’ve never smoked marijuana.
Jan.24 at 4:08 pm
Dan says:
I am not backing him on publicly complaining, but I agree that it is pretty ridiculous. Realistically, the number of professional people who smoke pot is pretty high, and I don’t think his salary should have anything to do with it.
Jan.24 at 4:10 pm
Dan says:
Nor do I smoke, but I do believe in freedom to choose.
Jan.24 at 4:11 pm
BETCATS says:
damm weed smokin NBDL players stealing our jobs…
Jan.24 at 4:11 pm
peteb80 says:
Does anyone know if they’re testing randomly even after you’ve been caught once, or do they test you again for sure after that?
Jan.24 at 4:12 pm
BETCATS says:
weed weed the musical fruit the more you smoke the more you toot..
Jan.24 at 4:13 pm
Young C says:
This all comes down to personal rights. The only time the team should be notified of a players drug use is if it has to do with performance enhancing drugs. Otherwise, as long as the player is not using addictive drugs(ie: crack-cocaine,heroin,pcp, etc)and its not effecting his play, then why is it anybody elses business? Its funny how entertainers(who are also millionaires, Russ) are cool or edgy if they use recreational drugs and can still perform(like rappers or actors), but if an athlete does it his employers are notified and he is punished by suspension or may be even fired(even if he is still performing at a high level) instead of helped with his addiction if there is one. If you want to argue whether drugs should be legalized(which they should), thats a whole new argument. But Harrison is right. The league has no right to bother in the personal lives of players, especially if nobody else in the organizations are also being tested.
Jan.24 at 4:14 pm
Dan says:
Certain things I dissagree with, but for the most part Young C and I are on the same page.
Jan.24 at 4:18 pm
Russ Bengtson says:
I couldn’t disagree more, but I’m not going to continue arguing.
Jan.24 at 4:20 pm
TADOne says:
Lost argument Russ.
Jan.24 at 4:20 pm
Young C says:
Dan, you are 100% right. And Russ, Im surprised that someone who writes for such a groudbreaking and progressive b-ball magazine would be so conservative. Especially on this issue. That was a nice joke about David Harrison’s game. But let’s be real here. We know that certain star players who grew up in the hood and still hang with guys from the hood probably didnt stop smoking immediately upon entering the league. They just werent were smart enough not to get caught.
Jan.24 at 4:22 pm
Russ Bengtson says:
Meanwhile, David Harrison is going to be out of the League when his contract expires because he’s been a massive disappointment. And one could argue that, had he worried more about improving his game and less about his right to smoke marijuana, he could have made something of himself as a basketball player. But hey, freedom of choice, right? Have fun in Turkey, Dave.
Jan.24 at 4:24 pm
Russ Bengtson says:
It’s ‘conservative’ to think that an employer should be concerned whether their employees are partaking in illegal activities? (As far as I’m concerned there’s no such thing as ‘on your own time’ when you’re a professional athlete.) Sorry I have feelings regarding responsibility to your organization, your fans and your league.
Jan.24 at 4:27 pm
Young C says:
Im definetly not defending Harrison’s game. He has been disappointing and does seem a bit lazy and/or injury proned. But he does have a point. I just think its funny we’re havig this conversation right now, when on news stands RIGHT NOW you have a picture of two of the athletes that I alluded earlier cheesing into the camera with somewhat dazed looks on their faces with the title HIGH TIMES beneath them. Dont think I didnt notice that little play on words when I got my copy in the mail. I laughed out loud when I saw that cover.
Jan.24 at 4:29 pm
Russ Bengtson says:
I didn’t come up with that line.
Jan.24 at 4:30 pm
Dan says:
Russ, you are taking this to an extreme that is non-sensical. I mean, we could take this to the opposite extreme of what you are arguing. You don’t think professional athletes should have private lives? Do you care to take that statement back while you still have a chance?
Jan.24 at 4:31 pm
Russ Bengtson says:
And look at it this way, would you rather have Harrison punished by the League now, or arrested later? What makes a worse impression, a suspension or handcuffs? See Mookie Blaylock, Rasheed Wallace, Damon Stoudamire, etc., etc.
Jan.24 at 4:32 pm
Co Co says:
Weed can be a gateway drug, beilieve me I’ve known plenty of people who started out only smoking weed, but had to graduate to something stronger. It happens, and the most important thing to remember is it’s illegal. It would not be in the best interest of the NBA or any other big coporation to have their employees partaking in illegal activities
Jan.24 at 4:34 pm
Craig says:
Not to mention, if you’re failing a drug test, you aren’t just smoking weed “once in a while.” Assuming the NBA will make you take a urine test, then you have to smoke a significant amount of marijuana at least 2 or 3 times a week. Unfortunately, I became accustomed with the whole process at a lower point in my life. Also, saying marijuana is not addictive is ludicrous, if you suddenly stop smoking when you are an avid weed-smoker, the chance that you will have some type of withdrawals (i.e. anxiety, tremors).
Jan.24 at 4:35 pm
Craig says:
is high*** (forgot the finishing words)
Jan.24 at 4:36 pm
Russ Bengtson says:
I’m just being realistic. Professional athletes DON’T have private lives, like any other celebrity.
Jan.24 at 4:37 pm
Young C says:
I assumed you didnt. But that just bolsters my claim that its surprising that you work for them. And yes, it is conservative to be so uptight about what any employee does in his off time to his or her own body. Yes it is illegal. But should it be? Sorry to tell you but just because daddy government or church says that something is wrong or makes it illegal, doesnt mean that they’re right. What does what an athlete does on his own time to his own body have to do with his responsibility to the league, his fans, or the organization. Its that same type of thinking that get countries involved in preemtive wars in Iraq and a monkey for a president.
Jan.24 at 4:38 pm
Dan says:
I can’t have this conversation anymore!
Jan.24 at 4:39 pm
Russ Bengtson says:
Um, now you’re taking things too far.
Jan.24 at 4:40 pm
Co Co says:
Whether or not you think weed should or shouldnt be illegal doesnt change the fact that it is illegal. A serial killer might argue that murder shouldn’t be illegal, but it is. When i get a speeding ticket, I argue that going 20 miles over shouldn’t be against the law, but I lose every time.
Jan.24 at 4:41 pm
Russ Bengtson says:
I’m starting to confuse myself. Anyone got any weed?
Jan.24 at 4:42 pm
Black Rob says:
To words David :Roy Tarpley & Chris Washburn
Jan.24 at 4:42 pm
Young C says:
Like any other celebrity? I just gave you examples of other celebrities who dont get punished for drugs as long as they still perform their jobs. We only notice the bad ones like Britney and Winehouse because they’re 5 minutes from overdosing. I never said that the NBA shouldnt test players. They should still have a mandatory drug program, but it should be centered around helping players with problems(like Chris ‘Birdman’ Anderson) and not about making players lose their jobs and livelyhood over some weed.
Jan.24 at 4:42 pm
Co Co says:
I know a guy Russ. See me at 5
Jan.24 at 4:43 pm
Dan says:
Oh, Co Co, that is OUTRAGEOUS! You are taking this to an extreme. Legalize murder? Do you really see a parallel between the two?
Jan.24 at 4:45 pm
TADOne says:
This has taken quite the left turn.
Jan.24 at 4:46 pm
Young C says:
Co Co: “Smoking Weed = Murder” WWWWOOOOOWWWW!!!!!
Jan.24 at 4:47 pm
Russ Bengtson says:
Forget the legality part, even, and understand that teams regularly enforce rules that aren’t set down by the government, like curfews or weight limits (see: Walker, Antoine). You’re not going to get arrested if you don’t go to shootaround or miss a flight, but you’re going to get suspended. And if I’m a team owner or commissioner of the League, I’d rather not have players smoking marijuana, whether it’s in their basement or on the team plane or at midcourt. That’s their call.
Jan.24 at 4:47 pm
Co Co says:
I’m just making a point that some ish is illegal and there are reasons why people are for and against the legalities of certain things. Not everyone is going to agree with every law, but the law is the law. That’s my point.
Jan.24 at 4:48 pm
Russ Bengtson says:
If you can’t see the difference between a rapper and a pro athlete, I can’t help you.
Jan.24 at 4:49 pm
Russ Bengtson says:
But by all means, let’s respect everyone’s right to do whatever they want, whenever they want. Worked out great for Len Bias.
Jan.24 at 4:51 pm
TADOne says:
What about a rapping ball player?
Jan.24 at 4:51 pm
Dan says:
So if you want to draw parallels between ridiculous things I will too. In some countries poligamy (sp?) is legal, but here it’s not. So which is right? In some countries marrying girls under the age of 18 is legal, but here it’s not. So which is right? The law is the law, remember?
Jan.24 at 4:53 pm
Young C says:
Russ: Now that arguement makes more sense, but there still are alot of jobs that have programs where people can get help with their addictions/vices/bad habits without getting suspended or fired or having the whole company know about it. All Im saying is if Company X can do it, why not the NBA. Co Co: But should a law be the law? Thats my point.
Jan.24 at 4:53 pm
Dan says:
RUSS, BIAS O.D.’ed ON COKE, NOT POT! You are being ridiculous!
Jan.24 at 4:53 pm
peteb80 says:
Btw. Sheed just put out a rap song where he states: “Takin’ bong hits got me cruisin’ in a starship / Kirk and Mr. Spock got me blowin’ up spots” and the also subtle “Got illegal drug money, got pounds of greens / I’m a grown-a– man, got no time for bulls–t”
Jan.24 at 4:54 pm
Russ Bengtson says:
Here’s what I’ve never understood, either. If you’re an NBA player, your playing career is probably going to be over by the time you’re 35. If you’re talented–or just lucky–in that time you’ll probably make in excess of $50 million. Why not just play ball, follow the rules, and then when you retire, lock yourself in your huge mansion with your personal chef and 4,000 pounds of the finest chronic money can buy and never be seen or heard from again?
Jan.24 at 4:54 pm
Co Co says:
Again Dan, there are people who will be for and against every law. You have to obey the law of your land. The law of this land says weed is a no, no. If David feels as strongly as he does about it then maybe he should find a profession that isn’t going to test him for drugs. No one is forcing him to play in the NBA. There are other jobs. They most certainly won’t pay him as much, but if weed is that important to him then I’m sure he’ll be fine.
Jan.24 at 4:55 pm
peteb80 says:
It’s on Need4sheed.
Jan.24 at 4:55 pm
Young C says:
I was just about to compliment you Russ and you had to go right back down Conservative Lane with the Len Bias comment.
Jan.24 at 4:55 pm
Russ Bengtson says:
I’ll make it even simpler. If I’m an employer of people who make a living with their bodies, I don’t want them smoking ANYTHING.
Jan.24 at 4:58 pm
Russ Bengtson says:
I believe both myself and Co Co are going to extremes to make a point, but if you want to believe we’re both being entirely literal, that’s up to you.
Jan.24 at 5:00 pm
Dan says:
Well Adolf Bengtson, remind me to stay away if you ever become facist leader of the U.S.
Jan.24 at 5:00 pm
Russ Bengtson says:
And actually, I’d support the legalization of marijuana. That said, I’d still be critical of professional athletes who used it. Except for the ones with glaucoma or cancer, of course.
Jan.24 at 5:02 pm
Russ Bengtson says:
Trust me, I think the NBA is wrong in a lot of cases (the dress code being particularly idiotic), but this isn’t one of those times.
Jan.24 at 5:02 pm
Young C says:
Exactly, YOU dont want them smoking anything.I wouldnt either. But that doesnt mean a person shouldnt have a right to. Len Bias overdosed. That was his decision on that night and it was tragic. But you cant use a tragedy(ex.9/11) to go overboard to impose your moral view of the world upon another person(ex.Patriot Act,Iraq War). All of these thing are related and its the majority of our problems in this country. Live and Let Live.
Jan.24 at 5:02 pm
TADOne says:
Wow, now that last comment Dan was really not needed. Let’s remember, this is a bball site, not a political throwdown.
Jan.24 at 5:03 pm
Russ Bengtson says:
And yes, I’m totally a fascist because I think pro athletes shouldn’t be getting high. Oh well, gotta get back to reading Mein Kampf now.
Jan.24 at 5:03 pm
Co Co says:
I think leagues and teams (outside of MLB) test for drugs because they are paying these men millions of dollars so they have a vested interest in the health and well being of these players. I don’t think they are being uptight joy killing meanies by trying to ensure that players aren’t putting harmful things into their bodies.
Jan.24 at 5:04 pm
Yunki says:
I’m having understanding Dan’s logic. I don’t see how Harrison can complain with league policies which merely comply with the LAW.
Jan.24 at 5:04 pm
Dan says:
Because I called him facist? Sorry, TAD, it was a joke. I didn’t realize that some of us were so sensitive. But then again, it all makes sense.
Jan.24 at 5:05 pm
Yunki says:
sorry that should read: having trouble understanding dan’s logic
Jan.24 at 5:06 pm
TADOne says:
Not sensitive at all. But the whole conversation pointed to you not actually joking.
Jan.24 at 5:06 pm
Yunki says:
and: complain about league policies
Jan.24 at 5:07 pm
Dan says:
Well I didn’t realize so many of the SLAM faithful were such patriots!
Jan.24 at 5:09 pm
Dan says:
Oh, seriously! I guess you can’t decipher between humor and seriousnes. My fault.
Jan.24 at 5:09 pm
Yunki says:
Actually Hitler hated smoking
Jan.24 at 5:11 pm
Co Co says:
Its not about patriotism (not that there’s anything wrong with that if it were) Its about the reality of this situation, and the reality of this situation is that weed is illegal and David Harrison knows this. Whether or not he agrees with it is irrelevant. He can’t expect the league to look the other way and act like they don’t know he’s breaking the law. Not when Stern is always preaching about integrity and such. Again, if he doesn’t like this invasion of his privacy, then he needs to get a job where the employers don’t give a damn.
Jan.24 at 5:11 pm
Lz - Cphfinest3 says:
Your Len Bias post are so lame Russ.. Everyone are responsible for their own actions, some people are just too irresponsible (depending on point of view you can argue that Harrison is one of them) - there will always be people who take a wrong step, like Len Bias. But as long as you don’t harm other people you should be free to do whatever you want with your body - after all it’s yours. As long as it’s not affecting his play,let Harrison have his pipe. And Russ since you’ve never smoked weed you really don’t know what you are talking about.
Jan.24 at 5:14 pm
Co Co says:
He can have his pipe, just not in the NBA.
Jan.24 at 5:14 pm
Yunki says:
You don’t need to have smoked weed to know that it is illegal. This isn’t going anywhere
Jan.24 at 5:15 pm
Dan says:
Well the whole “law of the land” thing DOES make it about patriotism. You are proving to be one of Nietzsche’s sheep from his analogy. Just because the law of your country says something that means you should follow without question?
Jan.24 at 5:16 pm
Russ Bengtson says:
Fine, let’s just go back to when guys smoked cigarettes at halftime and grabbed a six-pack on their way out of the arena. Let’s have more teams like the Sheed/Damon Blazers when you could read about guys in the police blotter as much as you do in the sports section. Let’s make room for more guys like J.R. Rider and Roy Tarpley because, you know, they should be able to do what they want. That’s a fantastic idea.
Jan.24 at 5:17 pm
H to the izzo says:
Nietzsche was probably the biggest d*ckhead ever to walk the earth.Mein Kempf is a poorly written book.
Jan.24 at 5:18 pm
Dan says:
Yeah, Russ! You are right. That’s exactly what I was implying! You are just sopt on! HAHAHA!
Jan.24 at 5:19 pm
Russ Bengtson says:
And who’s to say smoking weed ISN’T affecting Harrison’s play? He’s a former first-round pick that’s averaging 4.4 points and 2.2 rebounds per game–his second-lowest numbers in four years.
Jan.24 at 5:19 pm
Dan says:
Well considering Nietzsche didn’t write ‘Mein Kempf’, I don’t know what that has to do with anything, but sure. . . ? And as for him being a dickhead, on what grounds?
Jan.24 at 5:19 pm
Co Co says:
You don’t have to follow the law without question, but I’ve not read about David Harrison doing anything to change this law he so vehemently disagrees with.
Jan.24 at 5:19 pm
Russ Bengtson says:
Whatever you say, superman.
Jan.24 at 5:20 pm
Yunki says:
No, but if your ultimate problem is with the legitimacy of the law, take action against the legal system by a) petition in congress or b)start a military coup you can’t expect the NBA to not follow the law
Jan.24 at 5:20 pm
Russ Bengtson says:
And re choice, I support David Harrison’s right to have an abortion whenever he chooses.
Jan.24 at 5:20 pm
H to the izzo says:
Bottom line,if a guy can’t cut out some casual weed smoking in exchange for being paid millions for doing(in Harrisons case) very little,then he just doesn’t deserve to be in the NBA.
Jan.24 at 5:21 pm
lewis says:
“But by all means, let’s respect everyone’s right to do whatever they want, whenever they want. Worked out great for Len Bias.” wait, aren’t you supposed to be american? doesn’t saying that kind of thing get you carted away to gitmo or something?
Jan.24 at 5:21 pm
Russ Bengtson says:
That would be amazing if David Harrison led a coup.
Jan.24 at 5:21 pm
Dan says:
Well you see, Russ, going by your theories, then hundreds of players in the history of the NBA should be huge potheads. Come on!
Jan.24 at 5:22 pm
Co Co says:
Agreed Izzo. Weed can’t be THAT important.
Jan.24 at 5:22 pm
Yunki says:
not breaking the law does not make one a patriot
Jan.24 at 5:22 pm
Russ Bengtson says:
…
Jan.24 at 5:23 pm
Dan says:
I am still baffled by Izzo’s comment about Nietzsche!
Jan.24 at 5:23 pm
Co Co says:
The reason there are laws is because we CAN’T live in a society where people can do whatever the hell they want as long as no one is watching. The world would be unbelievably effed up.
Jan.24 at 5:23 pm
Russ Bengtson says:
You think hundreds of players in the history WEREN’T potheads? We can start with basically the entire ABA and go from there. I could name names of NBA guys, but I stopped snitching a while back.
Jan.24 at 5:25 pm
H to the izzo says:
Well I’m fully aware that Hitler wrote Mein Kempf.Well seeing as he was a philosopher,made his name through bullsh*t extremism…”God is dead” blah blah blah
Jan.24 at 5:25 pm
Yunki says:
These conversations are what makes SLAM so real
Jan.24 at 5:26 pm
Russ Bengtson says:
And I agree 500 percent with Co Co–I have absolutely no problem with David Harrison smoking until the cows come home if that’s what he wants to do. But if that’s what he wants to do, he’ll have to find a new job. Sorry, them’s the breaks.
Jan.24 at 5:26 pm
Yunki says:
“God is Dead” is bullsh!t extremism?
Jan.24 at 5:26 pm
Young C says:
Russ, who said anything about people smoking on the job while playing or getting caught by the police on the own FREE TIME? No they didnt. If you want to make an arguement, stop using non-sensical fantasy scenarios that nobody seggested and argue with some facts and logic. You’re whole idea is that since there arent athletes on the police blotter it must be because of the current drug policy and that must mean that most baller arent using drugs.These are silly assumtions. Already established that they dont even notify the team until after 3 failed test so we have no idea how many are actually using drugs. Nothing has changed since those times. The only difference is the players do it ON THEIR OWN TIME and for the most part dont get caught. Stop being so nieve
Jan.24 at 5:27 pm
H to the izzo says:
*Enter Bill Walton joke here*
Jan.24 at 5:27 pm
Lz - Cphfinest3 says:
True Yunki, but to REALLY know what you are talking about - on a topic like this, if you never been under the influence how can you really judge what Player X should or shouldn’t do? You simply don’t have the insight in what it does to his body/mind/ability.
And the “law is the law” argument is just ignorant - remember you used to have laws that allowed slaves in the US. Laws should be under constant re-evalution by the public, and be changed accordingly to the changes in the world.
Jan.24 at 5:28 pm
H to the izzo says:
It was almost 200 years ago yes.
Jan.24 at 5:29 pm
Co Co says:
The fact that they haven’t gotten caught doesn’t make the fact that they are doing something illegal any better. So are you saying its okay to do bad things as long as you can keep it on the low?? Where does it stop?
Jan.24 at 5:29 pm
Russ Bengtson says:
I’ll re-sum up my feelings in one sentence: If the NBA wishes to test their employees for marijuana, and punish them when they test positive, I support their right to do so. Is that simple enough for you? And obviously the testing policy was approved by the owners AND the player’s union, so maybe Mr. Harrison should be talking to Billy Hunter about all this.
Jan.24 at 5:30 pm
H to the izzo says:
And the fact that he feels the need to make it public pretty much confirms that he’s an idiot anyway.
Jan.24 at 5:30 pm
Co Co says:
LZ people worked to change those laws. Until I see David Harrison with a damn sign outside of City Hall then I don’t wanna hear about this privacy ish.
Jan.24 at 5:31 pm
Dan says:
I’m with Lz regarding the slavery example and re-evaluating laws. Things change, times change, people change. Face it.
Jan.24 at 5:32 pm
Young C says:
No Co Co. Im saying Who are you to determine what said “bad things” are. How is another person doing drugs and hurting their own body hurting you? Its not. It stops when it hurts someone else physically.
Jan.24 at 5:32 pm
Lz - Cphfinest3 says:
Sorry Yunki, that was for your 5.14 post - my internet connection is puffed out.
Jan.24 at 5:32 pm
white hot eboy says:
Bengtson/Co Co ‘08!!!!!!!!
Jan.24 at 5:32 pm
Yunki says:
I’m not judging what player X does at all, i’m just saying you can’t expect the NBA, a legitimate corporation to allow its members to break the law. Again: if your problem is with the law, take action to change it. Although besides the point, theres scientific knowledge and statistics of the effects of marijuana
Jan.24 at 5:33 pm
Co Co says:
the people in question here arent trying to change the law though, you’re just trying to avoid it. Which accomplishes nothing
Jan.24 at 5:33 pm
Russ Bengtson says:
So comparing marijuana use to cocaine use is ridiculous, but comparing marijuana use to f*cking SLAVERY makes sense? Obviously I need some of whatever you guys are smoking.
Jan.24 at 5:34 pm
Dan says:
Wow!
Jan.24 at 5:34 pm
Holly MacKenzie says:
Russ, Co Co, Izzo, thank you.
Jan.24 at 5:34 pm
Co Co says:
I’m not here to determine what bad things are, someone else already did that when they determined that weed falls under the bad things category. You guys are conveniently forgetting that weed is illegal and when you break the law and get caught there will be consequences.
Jan.24 at 5:35 pm
H to the izzo says:
How does comparing weed smoking to slavery make sense,thats like comparing Artis Gilmore to Dennis f*ckin Kucinich.
Jan.24 at 5:35 pm
Yunki says:
Young C, if Harrison is hurting his body and I’m paying for his body (not like that), then I’m really not getting my money’s worth
Jan.24 at 5:36 pm
Dan says:
What’s good for the goose, no? That is, I use what you use. That home-grown American patriot sh!t that Russ, CoCo, Yunki, and Guliani are smoking.
Jan.24 at 5:36 pm
white hot eboy says:
I left Izzo out purposely because he’d be the Toastmaster General for the new regime of Russ and Co Co.
Jan.24 at 5:37 pm
Krayzie Bone says:
The prohibition on Marijuana in most countries is absolutely nonsense. It is less addictive and less harful than both tobacco and alcohol, and there is no legitimate reason to keep it prohibited. Harrison’s complaint, that his recreational time should be his own, is also a valid complaint. His salary has no bearing on whether or not someon has the right to make such demands of their employee, other than to say that recreational use cannot affect performance on the job (indulging 2 hours before practice or something). I think the league should be allowed to have sobriety tests of their players, if a coach is suspicious of a players performance, but the current method of testing is in my view an invasion of privacy, regardless of the legal side of the question. The league is not a law enforcement agency, so concern over testing in that regard is irrelevant. It is true however that harrison is not that bright for coming out and saying it, as it casts a suspicious eye towards him. Perhaps he is about to be failed on the random tests, and is speaking out with that knowledge, but it would be wiser for an thinker, and union rep (Etan) to make this case rather than someone who must be a heavy recreational user.
Jan.24 at 5:37 pm
Dan says:
Nice to see you too, Holly and Eboy!
Jan.24 at 5:37 pm
Yunki says:
I’m not a effing patriot!!!!
Jan.24 at 5:37 pm
Lz - Cphfinest3 says:
David Harrison voicing his displeasure with the law, IS changing the world. He adds to the discourse. You don’t have to be waving the signs in front of city hall. Not everybody is a revolutionary.
Jan.24 at 5:39 pm
H to the izzo says:
Left me out of what Eboy?
Jan.24 at 5:39 pm
Co Co says:
Where’s your sign Dan? If legalizing marajuana means that much to you, get David and go start a movement.
Jan.24 at 5:39 pm
white hot eboy says:
Dan, do I have to send you to the principles office again? Remember how you took offense to the mom comment a week or so ago and I told you it just seemed like you were a tad naive. I think that applies in this scenario as well. While Russ touched on ABA players and their drug habits (yes habits, it’s documented) in the 70’s, the NBA in that same time frame was a haven for coke heads and weed heads (also well documented)as well, so don’t get caught thinking that this is a new issue.
Jan.24 at 5:40 pm
Lz - Cphfinest3 says:
Yunki: “Although besides the point, theres scientific knowledge and statistics of the effects of marijuana”
What about beer, cigarettes, McDonalds food? - naive argument.
Jan.24 at 5:41 pm
white hot eboy says:
And I still like you a bunch, you Magic man, you.
Jan.24 at 5:41 pm
Dan says:
No Lz, you can’t use those ideas here. Izzo doesn’t at all agree with Nietzsche, who avidly promoted individualism.
Jan.24 at 5:41 pm
Yunki says:
I’m sure Harrison signed an NBA contract agreeing to the terms and conditions of the NBA
Jan.24 at 5:41 pm
Jukai says:
This thread is AMAZING. I have such incredible admiration for Russ, this guy is an incredible debater and hysterical at the same time.
Jan.24 at 5:42 pm
Young C says:
I agree 100% with Coco and Russ that as long as it is illegal, the NBA should enforce their rules. I never once said that they should ignore the situation ala MLB with steroids. I guess I was more talking about legalizing weed and you guys were talking about specifically NBA rules. But neither of you responded to my idea of making it more private and being more geared toward helping players get off drugs rather than just punishing them and ruining their reputations around the league. Because obviously punishing them doesnt work. They just find various ways to get around it and/or do it in the off season.
Jan.24 at 5:42 pm
Lz - Cphfinest3 says:
Russ, I weren’t comparing Weed to slavery, just making and example of why Laws should always be re-evaluated. Read the post again.
Jan.24 at 5:42 pm
Yunki says:
I already said it was besides the point
Jan.24 at 5:42 pm
H to the izzo says:
Krayzie Bone:You’re assuming that most take it up for recreational use,this isn’t true,studies show(in my country anyway)that it is used by many(young people-mainly for crappy areas)as escapism from an unhappy life.If they were to stop at weed that would be ok,but this isn’t the case,many go onto harder drugs.
Jan.24 at 5:43 pm
Russ Bengtson says:
I feel like many people here are assuming it’s a RIGHT to play in the NBA when it’s actually a PRIVILEGE. They can make whatever rules they want, and if you want to play in their league, you have to play by their rules. NBA salaries are extremely high, as are ticket prices. And if I’m going to choose to spend my money on said tickets, I’d rather see athletes who spend their time working on their game in the gym (like a Kobe or a KG) than ones who spend their free time on the couch watching ‘CSI’ and eating Doritos.
Jan.24 at 5:43 pm
H to the izzo says:
Dan:I hate most if not all philosophers.
Jan.24 at 5:44 pm
Dan says:
Oh, Eboy. I missed your snarky comments! I don’t know what I am naive to, but I will let you have it if you wish. I don’t think this is a new issue at all, but okay. You win?
Jan.24 at 5:44 pm
Co Co says:
I don’t understand how you can be for the testing of performance enhancing drugs and not weed. The fact is both drugs are illegal and while everyone wants to sit here and claim there are no long term effects from Marajuana, there are hundreds of others who would argue differently. And this is not about whether weed affects his performance its about it being illegal. It does the league no good to ignore when their players break the law.
Jan.24 at 5:44 pm
TADOne says:
The league does put player in programs after both the 1st and 2nd times of failing a test Young C. If Harrison doesn’t like that his name is public after a 3rd strike, then Billy Hunter is the man to talk to about that.
Jan.24 at 5:45 pm
Jukai says:
I can’t believe there is even an arguement here. People get suspended for skipping practice and getting in fights with other people. They get suspended for YELLING at their coaches. If being suspended for smoking weed is such a horrific offense, why don’t you take your battle to those other “non-crimes”
Jan.24 at 5:45 pm
Yunki says:
Russ is on point
Jan.24 at 5:46 pm
Lz - Cphfinest3 says:
Co-sign on Young C’s 5.42 post.
Jan.24 at 5:46 pm
Jukai says:
I think Dan is high as a kite
Jan.24 at 5:46 pm
Dan says:
You’re right, Russ. I mean, Kobe is such a hard working, morally strong player (cough, cough). I would much rather see my money go to him. Not!
Jan.24 at 5:47 pm
Jukai says:
Then you’re agreeing with his idiotic logic, Lz. Because trying to prevent something illegal may not work, does that mean you should just let them do something illegal?
Jan.24 at 5:48 pm
Russ Bengtson says:
And the L DOES try to help. No one–including the TEAM–finds out until the THIRD offense.
Jan.24 at 5:48 pm
Yunki says:
Case was dropped
Jan.24 at 5:48 pm
H to the izzo says:
Kobe is the hardest worker in the NBA,how can you not respect that and respect the right of some lazy benchwarmer wanting to deteriorate his already limited ability?
Jan.24 at 5:49 pm
Co Co says:
None of us has ever had to literally write a check for several millions of dollars to anyone, but I bet if we did we’d have a different outlook on what goes on in the private life of said person we are paying. Look at this from the owners side. They cannot be too careful where these players health is concerned considering the contracts are guaranteed.
Jan.24 at 5:49 pm
Lz - Cphfinest3 says:
Bear with me Jukai, my internet connection is very stoned. So the response maybe first arrive a lil later. But it will come.
Jan.24 at 5:49 pm
Dan says:
So what? Oh yeah, that must mean he was innocent! HAHAHAHA! What a joke, Yunki!
Jan.24 at 5:49 pm
Krayzie Bone says:
The societal issue is important to remember, but the point about performance is on point. I think Russ is quite correct to say that if you’re screwing up work, and you have a substance abuse problem that is contributing to that screw up, then progressive discipline culminating in termination ought to be a consideration. As for the notion of the scientific effects of drugs, the lancet, which is like the new england journal of medicine in terms of its authority on medical issues, published a comparative study not long ago that ranked marijuana in a lower class of drugs in terms of harm and addiction. The irrationality of the drug policy in society at large does need to be addressed. I think the law is unjust, though I would never and have never partaken in such activities (less harmful is still harmful). McDonalds it not a perfect analogy because it actually fulfills a survival need, albiet in a very poor way. McDonalds (and other foods like it) is certainly much more harmful than most substance abuse (exceptions go to things like cocaine and heroine, the two most dangerous substances in the study), but the analogy is not perfect. The question comes down to the concept of the state, and what we want it to do. In some cases (seat belt laws) the state insists upon something, and I can see justification for it. With substance abuse, I’m not of the same mind. You should be able to legally ingest whatever you want, and if the state wants to play a role, then it may spend the resources it does on imprisoning people (half your prison population in the US) on social services that treat addictions. The investment has been shown by one harvard study to be 500% better for treatment over improsonment, where of course the brutal violence of prison life is inflicted on those who want to get high too often for their own good.
Jan.24 at 5:50 pm
Ben Osborne says:
Russ needs a joint.
Jan.24 at 5:50 pm
jbn74sb says:
Russ’s quote:
“I’ll make it even simpler. If I’m an employer of people who make a living with their bodies, I don’t want them smoking ANYTHING.”
I presume this does not include female p-rn stars. Because I want them smoking things as frequently as possible. And so does Myles.
Jan.24 at 5:51 pm
Yunki says:
I’m not saying he was innocent… but i understand
Jan.24 at 5:51 pm
mutoni says:
i think we all need a joint at this point.
Jan.24 at 5:51 pm
H to the izzo says:
Bodie:Nobody but you could have made that comment.
Jan.24 at 5:52 pm
Russ Bengtson says:
Goddammit bodie, I knew I made it too simple.
Jan.24 at 5:52 pm
Dan says:
So Izzo, just because you think Kobe works hard means he should be innocent, yet Harrison should be scrutinized? That’s bulsh!t, and you know it. That’s the problem with the justice system.
Jan.24 at 5:52 pm
jbn74sb says:
Harrison could use Ryan’s hairy little arms to clean his bong.
Jan.24 at 5:53 pm
Young C says:
Jukai: yelling at coaches, fighting and missing practice have nothing to do with what a player does ON HIS OWN TIME. I said as long as it doesnt affect his job and its not hurting another human being, it shouldnt matter what he does. Pay attention to our arguements if you’re going comment.
Jan.24 at 5:53 pm
jbn74sb says:
Screw the joint. Richard Jefferson would like a suppository.
Jan.24 at 5:53 pm
davidR says:
how about it not being about the law? how about, if you were an owner, would you be okay with your players, whom you’re paying millions of dollars to play a sport that demands they are in tip top shape and in good health, smoking weed any time they want?
Jan.24 at 5:53 pm
TADOne says:
Krayzie Bone is on point.
Jan.24 at 5:53 pm
Co Co says:
There’s no evidence that David works hard………
Jan.24 at 5:54 pm
Yunki says:
Dan, you’re saying Kobe wasnt scrutinized?
Jan.24 at 5:54 pm
Jukai says:
McDonalds is worse than weed…. Krazy, you gotta be high, man.
Jan.24 at 5:54 pm
TADOne says:
I think I need a drink now.
Jan.24 at 5:54 pm
Krayzie Bone says:
Izzo. Recrational use simply means in your non working time, not for the fun of it. Its one of those terms that is misleading as it implies something in the common use of the word that isn’t meant by the definition. In economics, time spent not working is called liesure time, even though if your homeless and addicted to crack, the 16 hours of time a day spent in “liesure” wouldn’t be considered nice by any standard.
Jan.24 at 5:54 pm
Khalid Salaam says:
Imo, weed is not a gateway drug. Mf’ers who do blow, smack, crack, lsd, etc are on some whole other ish. can’t connect the two. i”m sorry but you can’t. I’m not pro weed either but damn.
Jan.24 at 5:54 pm
Russ Bengtson says:
Besides, if I understand the League’s testing policy well enough, you’re probably gonna get by just fine if you only smoke the occasional L. Get caught once, you’re unlucky. Get caught twice, you’re careless. Get caught three times, you’ve got a f*cking problem.
Jan.24 at 5:55 pm
H to the izzo says:
Dan:I’m really not seeing your point,are you saying Kobe wasn’t scrutinized?You definitely are high
Jan.24 at 5:55 pm
Co Co says:
Khalid I’ve seen people who start out smoking weed then graduate to something stronger. I;m not saying thats the norm, but most times people crawl before they walk.
Jan.24 at 5:56 pm
Yunki says:
Do teams have tobacco/alcohol policies?
Jan.24 at 5:56 pm
Jukai says:
Sorry, I’ve known clinical alcoholics and I’ve known people who smoked twice a day cause they couldn’t get by. The latter was far worse. Yes, it’s a huge hypocrisy that cigarettes and alcohol is legal while marijuana isn’t, but declaring a wrong a law because other wrongs exist wont correct anything. This arguement is dumb. Mushrooms and abusing oxycontin and vicoden don’t do much harm if you do them recreationally. Why don’t we just make those all over the counter?
Jan.24 at 5:57 pm
Young C says:
I agree with that last comment Russ
Jan.24 at 5:57 pm
Russ Bengtson says:
As soon as there’s a reliable way to measure how much a player’s recreational marijuana use affects his performance on the court, I’ll support it 100 percent. Until then–and until it’s legalized–I don’t think professional athletes should be smoking marijuana at all. OK?
Jan.24 at 5:58 pm
Dan says:
It’s fair to say that most involved in this conversation, myself included, aren’t ptro-weed, we just have different views regarding who can and can’t smoke.
Jan.24 at 5:58 pm
Jukai says:
No Yunki. Those are “legal.”
Jan.24 at 5:58 pm
Lz - Cphfinest3 says:
Jukai, of course you shouldn’t let them do something illegal. I understand that the NBA has laws, and they have every right to suspend Harrison - that is not my point. I just don’t agree with smoking weed being illegal. Therefore I feel that if Harrison doesn’t either he should be free to smoke it and say whatever he wanted about it. Of course he would have to deal with the consequences like suspensions probably not getting signed to a max contract etc. but that’s his choice just like smoking weed or not, in my opinion, should be his choice.
Jan.24 at 5:59 pm
Krayzie Bone says:
Russ, as a consumer you have to make the choice whether or not the product, entertainment, is worth it. Once you make the purchase, you get what’s there. If the product no longer satisfies you, you don’t continue to purchase it. As a consumer, you have no right to demand satisfaction, only to use your buying power to make it happen. More to the point, it is true that a pro athlete makes a lot of money, but that is irrelevant to what he/she does, provided that it doesn’t affect their performance. For instance, I think it wouldn’t be unreasonable to have a system of fines for lax physical fitness in this league. In your private live though, your employer should have no right to investigate what you do or don’t do. You ought to be free to do as you chose, so long as you don’t harm others, and in the case of employment, don’t harm your performance. If harrison’s performance suffers, then the he should be fired. That however goes to the issue of guaranteed contracts, which also must be tweaked somewhat.
Jan.24 at 5:59 pm
Jukai says:
I understand your point now, Lz. It’s just an odd one to make.
Jan.24 at 6:00 pm
Krayzie Bone says:
No not ok. If the law is unjust, it must be opposed, and if the employer is not a law enforcement agency, it has no business testing for narcotics. Its a violation of personal privacy.
Jan.24 at 6:00 pm
H to the izzo says:
Khalid:I’d have to disagree about weed being a gateway drug,if started early enough(12-13)it defintely can be,especially since the weed being sold to them is full of chemical sh*t
Jan.24 at 6:00 pm
jbn74sb says:
Any comments about weed being a gateway drug are moronic. The way that those “results” are arrived at include the following. Find a bunch of heroin and coke addicts, and ask them which drug they all started with. Their answer: weed. See any problems? 1. They don’t consider alcohol a drug, which presumably they all used before weed. More importantly, wouldn’t it be wiser to ask all people who have ever used weed if they moved on to harder drugs? How many people do you know that might take or have taken in the past an occassional toke without turning into Scarface?
Jan.24 at 6:00 pm
Dan says:
I’m not saying he wasn’t scrutinized, but I am saying that you made a claim that he should be forgiven because he works hard, which is ridiculous!
Jan.24 at 6:00 pm
Lz - Cphfinest3 says:
Fu(k it, I’m drunk.. At least that is still legal.
Jan.24 at 6:01 pm
Russ Bengtson says:
Let’s also remember that marijuana isn’t regulated, so who knows what’s in it? If alcohol was illegal I wouldn’t want players drinking homemade moonshine either.
Jan.24 at 6:01 pm
H to the izzo says:
Even casual weed use will affect a players motivation and effort.
Jan.24 at 6:01 pm
Jukai says:
Krayzie, that’s incredibly wrong. For half my jobs in my life, I’ve had to be drug tested beforehand, and about one third of them had random drug screenings. Employers have the right to check for any illegal activities they want.
Jan.24 at 6:01 pm
H to the izzo says:
You’re assuming he done it,Dan.
Jan.24 at 6:02 pm
Yunki says:
I think everyone is saying the same thing now. Yes, Harrison has a right to say whatever he wants, but he doesn’t have a legitimate point. Some clubs won’t let you in without shoes or a collar. Same deal with the NBA
Jan.24 at 6:02 pm
Krayzie Bone says:
The concept of gateway drugs is a little specious. People who experiment with drugs will do so based on personal tastes, and there is zero cause and effect that can be established in the use of narcotics and barbituates (sp?). The most commonly used and abused drugs are alcohol and tobacco.
Jan.24 at 6:02 pm
Jukai says:
I’m with you Izzo, but I’m not going to delve too much on it. A lot of people are trying to turn this into some sort of odd political platform to rant their opinion of OPPRESSIVE AMERICA and its EVIL LAWS. They’ve forgotten what the original arguement was about.
Jan.24 at 6:03 pm
Tarzan Cooper says:
WARNING: THE SURGEON GENERAL WARNS, CIGARETTE SMOKING IS DANGEROUS, DANGEROUS OR HAZARDOUS TO YOUR HEALTH!!! DOES THAT MEAN ANYTHING TO YOU?—PETER TOSH
Jan.24 at 6:03 pm
Co Co says:
I’m not saying everyone who smokes weed will becone the next Bubbles, but I’ve seen it happen on many occasions.
Jan.24 at 6:04 pm
Russ Bengtson says:
I’m not even taking the gateway theory (which I think is ridiculous) into consideration. Hell, LIFE is a gateway drug. Kill everyone at birth!
Jan.24 at 6:04 pm
Lz - Cphfinest3 says:
That and being European leads to the odd points Jukai..
Jan.24 at 6:04 pm
Jukai says:
Russ isn’t pro-choice… he’s pro abortion!
Jan.24 at 6:05 pm
Krayzie Bone says:
They don’t have the right in the world. The precedent exists I’m sure somewhere in US law that allowed that to happen, which is a violation of the spirit at the very least of the enlightenment principles underlying the constitution. I know that it is increasingly becoming a reality in my home of america jr, but my argument is philisophical, not a matter of jurisprudence. I know that they can do it because they do, and someone in the NBA would have legally challenged it by now if it was not in some way part of the set of standards and rules governing employment generally in the US
Jan.24 at 6:05 pm
Dan says:
And you’re assuming that the tests Harrison took were accurate.
Jan.24 at 6:05 pm
Yunki says:
I didn’t say he should be forgiven because he works hard. Im saying the case was dropped cos the trick took the money
Jan.24 at 6:06 pm
Jukai says:
Dan, I think it’s hard for three tests to be innacurrate. That arguement is ridiculous.
Jan.24 at 6:06 pm
Co Co says:
Harrison isnt arguing the accuracy of the tests is he?
Jan.24 at 6:07 pm
H to the izzo says:
Krayzie Bone:I can only speak from the area in which I live,no doubt people are effect by alcohol and long term from tobacco,but as long as they start experimenting with drugs,start climbing the class ladder in drugs,they’ll be dead or in jail withing months.NOTE:I do come from a pretty sh*tty area so this obviously can’t be the general barometer for all drug effects.
Jan.24 at 6:07 pm
Yunki says:
SLAM is a left wing publication
Jan.24 at 6:08 pm
Krayzie Bone says:
The argument about regulation is specious because there aren’t any arguments being made that players are poisoning themselves here. Since it is illegal, i’m sure that there are instances of chemically laced drugs including marijuna can do harm for the reason stated. Marijuana is less subject to the problem though as it is a dried leaf, as opposed to a manufactured product like alcohol or cigarettes (tobacco has additives and pesticides) or Cocaine, which is highly refined coca leafs, distilled with acetone (even if you do it right its still toxic).
Jan.24 at 6:08 pm
H to the izzo says:
Dan,he’s pretty much admitted it,you’re clutching at straws here.
Jan.24 at 6:08 pm
Lz - Cphfinest3 says:
Dan, Harrison lit up - otherwise he wouldn’t be complaining.
Jan.24 at 6:09 pm
H to the izzo says:
Yunki:Thank f*ck for that.
Jan.24 at 6:09 pm
TADOne says:
I bet when Mutoni posted this he didn’t expect it to get 200+ comments.
Jan.24 at 6:09 pm
Dan says:
No, but I am! And I was just using that to make a point. Holy sh!t, you guys are struggling.
Jan.24 at 6:09 pm
TADOne says:
And counting……
Jan.24 at 6:11 pm
Co Co says:
If David Harrison keeps playing the way he’s playing he’ll be able to move to another country that has laws more to his liking soon enough. Or at least a profession that doesn’t care, hell he could change professions now.
Jan.24 at 6:11 pm
Jukai says:
Good arguement Dan. You got us there.
Jan.24 at 6:11 pm
Dan says:
NO I’M NOT! I know he smokes! I brought that up to counter your stupid claims! Jesus Christ you guys!
Jan.24 at 6:11 pm
Yunki says:
I love SLAM. What else is going on in the NBA
Jan.24 at 6:11 pm
Young C says:
Dan, Lz-Cphfinest3, and Krazy Bone: you guys are geniuses and true patriots for personal freedoms. Most people cant seem to grasp the fact that they cant control the world, therefore they create all these idiotic laws to supposedly prote